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Bubba Ho-Tep

climber

Evergreen, CO

Aug 25, 2011 - 02:28pm PT

Fet:

Bubba, for the record SG did say he saw evidence of drilled hook placements when he swung over to the top of the climb. Ammons reports may help clear that up because if the middle pitches are pristine and different from what SG saw that may have been the result of another party. At least that is some legitimate basis for controversy, but of course the derision started long before this.

It's a legitimate basis if it's factual but I'd give a lot more credence to a report from a disinterested third party than from one of the main detractors. (or the FA party for that matter)

the Fet

climber

Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La

Aug 25, 2011 - 04:23pm PT

Meaty shrieked:

I do know what happened, and clearly you have no clue.
Listen up you f*#king dickwad, I never sh#t on anyones ropes, I never threw beer cans at anyone, get that you piece of sh#t??
Do you think I'm the only one that knows who the shitters are?
Loads of people know who they are, save your bullshit for them you f*#king punk.

LOL!!

I based my comments on what YOU have written here. Instead of responding you go straight to insults, profanity, and an insider attitude. Makes it easy to see why things went down like they did BITD.

I said you weren't responsible for those things but by perpetuating the lies you helped created an environment for that to happen.

It's funny how you don't seem to have any regret for perpetuating lies, but get SO upset when you THINK people claim you were responsible for the shitting.

It's funny to that the shitters/liars/choppers who didn't climb it are "protected" and haven't come forward. They aren't proud of it. They are hiding like cowards and living with it rather than face up to that horrendous and childish act.

the Fet

climber

Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La

Aug 25, 2011 - 04:40pm PT

Wow Meaty you're the gift that keeps on giving.

I don't think you or anyone else has any responsiblity to "out" the shitters. If they need to hide let them.

I put in bold you weren't responsible for the shitting/bombing, but you still don't get it? Again wow.

Are you denying that you were part of the crew that came down on the WoS crew, called it a bolt ladder, etc. without any first hand knowledge of the route?

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Walla Walla, WA

Aug 25, 2011 - 04:59pm PT

Isn't it fun dealing with this sort of "mentality?" Now multiply and extend by 29 years. Ahh... good, clean FUN!!!

Jim Leininger

Trad climber

tucson, az

Aug 25, 2011 - 05:02pm PT

Well, my first post to this long story... Seems like a lot of people, especially the detractors, get REALLY emotional in their replies to simple questions.. For example, "Meaty" stated :

"Evidence? The choppers/shitters claimed to have chopped your bolt ladder, that was all I needed."

In oter words, "they said it so I believe it"...Seems like jumping on the bandwagon with both feet to me... And then a little later he says :

"Fet, you ignorant bastard. I never perpetuated anything, f*#kwad."

Again, awfully emotional response!!!

I'm not taking anyone's side on this, but it sure brings on a good chuckle now and then to see how emotional some people get and still claim to be not involved...

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Walla Walla, WA

Aug 25, 2011 - 05:03pm PT

you use post on the internet to form an opinion??

Dimitri, what did YOU use to form YOUR opinion? (Obviously still strongly held, I see.) Remember, let's try to stay focused on the first two pitches. THAT was the evidence of the day.

Ever see 'em? Ever try to climb 'em?

When you led that verbal charge in the ranger meeting and the subsequent gangland activities, what did you KNOW about the route and how did you know it?

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Walla Walla, WA

Aug 25, 2011 - 05:14pm PT

You've been posting an awful lot LATELY about Randy yanking your chain years ago.

And you've confused (pervasive problem) a spirited defense with promotion. They are two different things.

Promoting is saying things like, "Proud route we did. Way ahead of its time. We were awesome." And so forth.

We've never said those things.

Defense is saying things like, "It's not a bolt/rivet ladder. We were way scared because it seemed hard to US. We didn't drill any dimples or bat hooks on the route, because we learned THAT tactic on the Sea years later. There are good reasons for it having taken us so long." And so forth.

Two different tactics, my friend. Try not to confuse at least that much.

TwistedCrank

climber

Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom

Aug 25, 2011 - 05:22pm PT

I think what the Dimitri did might be called "proxy sh!tting".

There's really not much else you can call it, really.

Gene

climber

Aug 25, 2011 - 05:31pm PT

DEMENTRI

LOL.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Walla Walla, WA

Aug 25, 2011 - 05:34pm PT

Wow, Dimitri, that was quite the back-edit. Changes nothing of substance, though.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Walla Walla, WA

Aug 25, 2011 - 05:47pm PT

From back-edit:

Every single time you have an opportunity to correct one of your fellow wankers here, like twistedwanker, you stay silent. F*#k you.

LOL. Now it's my responsibility to "correct" my "fellow wankers?" ROFL

TwistedCrank

climber

Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom

Aug 25, 2011 - 05:54pm PT

I guess I stand corrected.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Aug 25, 2011 - 05:55pm PT

Hey Madbolter, while you're here, I have a question. It's got nothing to do with the controversy, and maybe you've answered before and I missed it.

How did you feel about the route? I kmow the ordeal meant a lot to you guys to do it, and you didn't want the brouhaha. I'm Not askng about that.

But what did you think of the route itself? Did you like it? Was it fun? In normal times would you have reccommendef it to your friends who are into hooking?

Or, with all the fuss, Is it impossible to tell?

If you've talked about this in the past I must have missed it. Seems like a normal
question for most routes.

Cheers!

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Aug 25, 2011 - 05:56pm PT

Wow, Meaty, you come accross as a real class act. Sure your not still in Jr high beating up that one kid that evryone picked on???

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Aug 25, 2011 - 06:00pm PT

The gift that keeps on giveing :)

TwistedCrank

climber

Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom

Aug 25, 2011 - 06:11pm PT

He got him a bad case of hater-herpes.

the Fet

climber

Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La

Aug 25, 2011 - 06:26pm PT

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Ontario, Canada, eh?

Aug 25, 2011 - 06:51pm PT

Neal - dude, come on. You don't hear me purporting to know all about or pontificating on Judaism, so why do you purport to understand Christianity? Why don't we stick to what we know, so we don't look like idiots? [Please tell me you feel guilty. If not, you *should* feel guilty]

In defence of the raving lunatic Meaty = Dimitri Barton, he is nothing more than that - a raving lunatic. Every one of my sources agrees that at the infamous "SAR meeting", Dimitri was by far the most vocal and rabid in his opposition. Evidently he continues unabated today, a very unhappy fellow it would appear. [And my apologies to Werner - I know, I know, it wasn't *everyone* at SAR, there were other non-SAR people there too, chill out, dude]

However Dimitri wasn't a shitter, he is merely an @sshole.

But sonuvabitch, Richard beat me to it.

All of the evidence I have uncovered so far strongly and unequivocally suggests that Mimi - the all time b|tch of McTopo - was indeed one of the Shitters. I shitt you knott. She confessed, but later tried to "Spartacus out". How cowardly.

I only have it on second-hand info from a variety of independent sources - all of which concur - so at the moment it is only hearsay and merely my belief. However I will have the opportunity to speak face-to-face with my sources when I am in Yosemite this fall, and can confirm it.

Mimi "40 grit" De Gravelle, aka Mrs. Steve Grossman - you've been outed.

What do you have to say for yourself? Here's your Big Chance. Or will you now hide in your cowardice?

Bubba Ho-Tep

climber

Evergreen, CO

Aug 25, 2011 - 07:06pm PT

I don't know, Pete.

I was sort of there when it happened. I remember the hoopla throughout C4 surrounding the affair but was on Half Dome when all the sh#t went down (so to speak) and got my information days later, second hand from what I think was a credible source - a well known valley climber and SAR member.

I'm not saying who told me, or who he told me the shitters were, but I will say that Mimi's name was not mentioned (nor was Dimitri's for that matter).