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Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Apr 18, 2019 - 06:16am PT
No one really owns anything. We are not permanent and when we go,
nothing belongs to us any more. As to legacies, no one will remember us when,
five billion years from now, the earth is consumed by a dying sun.

I used to believe we’d someday become a star faring civilization.

Then I realized that no matter how sophisticated we believe we’ve become,
as evidenced by all the violence humanity still inflicts upon itself
after many thousands of years of trying to to curb our most base instincts,
we might not be capable of becoming civilized before in the name of
religious furtherance and greed we destroy the very environment
needed to nurture us.

these last few words

bastard he calls
to the idiot night
calming deriding
steadfastly chiding
the sliding adjusting
to wet greasy slime
on past the demons
of swamp footed grime

cool breezed updrafts
up from the valley
winter chilled pine scents
wafting their way

expletives blurted
till sleep has its way
a down sloping ledge
with no footing or quay
exhausting for some
poor for sleep or a perch
great for the munge
or a sapling of birch

hear the evening calling
the swallow and the hawk
with the fading of sunlight
the last woodpeckers knock

-bushman
04/17/2019
zBrown

Ice climber
Apr 20, 2019 - 08:47pm PT


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ymkBEhdHBE
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Apr 21, 2019 - 01:33am PT
The Good Sir his ownself

mfm requested that I post

Very little:

https://youtu.be/6w6X-WLWE-c

Merci, mon frere.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Apr 21, 2019 - 03:10am PT
https://youtu.be/fEdUsWUE7-E

As in the best of traditions

Like spreadin' easter ezzes out across the lawn fo the children

something I did til this easter (17 YEARS, EVERY EASTER)

Now,
when the church having burned down

this no-place being dead

And our own UV House MousE

absolutely burning up me inbox

I have some bellows work coming at you

Easter Blessings

River of Jordan - The Tuttles with AJ Lee
https://youtu.be/7WaIo5ECVLg


"3 Men On A Mountain" - The Tuttles with AJ Lee
https://youtu.be/rvRug9k2jI0



Thank You all

Sisters & Brothers

https://youtu.be/Gl66dGvWTBs



^&^ 2




All the best to you`ll who are the best

HAPPY EASTER
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Apr 21, 2019 - 03:32am PT
THE NEXT SHAREs
ARE REQUESTS OF OUR RESTING HOST
WHO JUST SPENT 4/20
HIGH & OUT DANCIN !

An OH so cool homespun screamin' bluezz (old as dirt,from,2010)

Maryellen Hart and Moe Thomas with The Steve Johnson Blues Trio
From, (and you can't make this up) Mexicali Live Club, Teaneck, NJ
What mouse said was
"HOTTER'N THE HINGES OF HADES"".
"Have you ever Loved A Woman?"
https://youtu.be/nX1EjzDMXXY


Next
posted 8/7/'11
to take this to a royal flush:
I mean come on folks ! THIS IS SCORCHIN'Hot!
 /
Chuck Berry - Guitar, vocals
Eric Clapton - Guitar
Keith Richards - Guitar
Steve Jordan - Drums
Johnnie Johnson - Piano
Chuck Leavell - Organ
Joey Spampinato - Bass

https://youtu.be/wzKd0aiaK4c







BAX TO WHAT THE mouse HAS REQUESTED!
STOP BREAKIN' DOWN THE SUPER TOPO
IT IS NOW THE STUPID TOPOR, A SHELL OF WHAT IT WAS

The Jeff Healey Band-Stop Breakin' Down

https://youtu.be/g8JtahjTXDw


And the feelingz are shared by all
 that what has happend to our place
 the place
 the place that was no place
))) ho,man(((
just some place on a monitor screen

this needz to have not happened!
- To have ever have gone this way!

the management should have reached out to all of us
or just one or two of us at a time.
CmaC
RJ
Still, need to realize the power of one or two well placed hardcore lawyers letters
backed by the support of this whole crew.



AND FURTHER MORE
More from my in box

Timid TopRope, in Forresta this weekend.

Playin' and singin' with the Cashners and crew.

~> Big doin's but of an invite nature.





oH MAN DO i WISH i COULD GO SEE tIMID tOP rOPE


Do you gnow that there is a link between good health
& listening weekly to not weakly played
slightly swayed to, Organ Music?

Jimmy Smith - The Sermon

https://youtu.be/e3X5J_wGHrw






mfm, states blatantly

""I love what Brockman's doin'.""

but his buzzed self did not direct me to where to say that?
& seems like it will be missed by most here
I think I'll add it to the Where five`Elev,Krv. thred too






(if anyone else wants to, I'd love to hear from a few of you)

Please I have a big heart for this place
Ekat isnt going to
so I guess I'll have to break something to hear from Ron Gomez?
But anyone else have anything to share with A Gnome?




FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

AS STERILE IS. STERILE DOES A STERILE DOSE OF CAPTURED ROCKSI PREFER FOR MINE TO BE WILD AN' FREE AS CAN BE
Whenever I Can
~ I Try To Find My Way To
LOST HILLSIDES INTHE TIC INFESTED WOODS

WITH AGE COMES THE NEED FOR EASE OF ACCESS TO ROCK
i CAME HERE TO RUB UP AGAINST THE ACTIVITY THAT I PERSUED WITH ALL THE VIGOR THAT MY YOUTH WOULD ALLOW

NOW I WILL FOR EVER HAVE TO NOT PARTICIPATE IN WHAT %90 OF THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES?
i NEED TO GET ME AN INSTAGRAM
FACEBOOK
TWITTER
SO THAT i CAN SHARE WITH OTHER YO-YOs & BOZOs
bUT
YO!
YOU GOT THIS HERE FOR ANOTHER MONTH OR SO..
SEW BUTTONS





There were at least 2 removals by themz that posted
1) Remembering, or trying to is one of the reasons that I play here
So
The Brave Cowboy!? you can run & hide, I'm never gonna forget the play I regret but the broke-one had a kiddo, who'd bonded to you. It irked you, tuff , your skin was in the game your name is more than enough, I see that you do me so I won't ignore you(AmusT)

The Brave Cowboy had posted a picture; of the "Access Hollywood "rtumpty"
quote, A typed out on a white piece of paper The full rude text but with no attribution (The notso BraveC?) it is/was sitting in what looks like a baking pan. that picture still remains in the Taco archive.

The other post escapes me...?


















IMPORTANT READING FROM

ROY(Tarbuster)& RJ/Cmac

Link to pages 160-180 of Having to click to view images sucks!

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=3191916&tn=40

quote below: 181- 163



tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT

Apr 18, 2019 - 04:15pm PT
For the record if I disappear it was not voluntary I got nuked. RJ it certainly appears that you flat out lied about Tad asking to have his posts removed and leaveing of his own free will. This is from an email conversation that I just had with Tad Hocking.

Hi Nick, you don’t have to call him out or make a big scene of it.
If you want, your call, you can post this for me;

“I didn’t request my posts be removed , I was deactivated and my posts purged before I had a chance to reply to his last post directed at me which he has since deleted.”

If you lied about Tad how do we know that you did not lie about DMT? how can we trust anything you say? How does this not affect your credibility for whatever climbs that you have claimed to have done in whatever style they were reported as????




Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth

Apr 18, 2019 - 04:51pm PT
JLP - the improved version doesn't work at all for me. All the links are back. The original version got most but not all of the links put in as in-line photos.


RJ Spurrier

SuperTopo staff member


Apr 18, 2019 - 04:57pm PT
tradmanclimbs:
With all due respect, Tad's recollection is mistaken.

At 10:35pm on Tue, Apr 16 Mr. Hocking made a post that requested his posts be deleted. He made that post on the no Political topics thread. He requested that a few things, including his TRs and a few threads he had started and was particularly fond of, such as a van thread, be left in place. It is possible that those details may help Tad refresh his memory. Unfortunately, we don't have an easy way to accommodate that kind of precision strike request and so all his posts were deleted using our normal deletion tool as per his request (which removes all content).

Quite frankly, there was no delay in acting on Tad's request, because he had been rude and disparaging of Chris in his posts at that time and that did not leave me motivated to double-check whether he was really serious in his request to have his content removed.

While I did not make a screenshot of his post before accommodating his request to have his content scrubbed from the site, I wrote Chris a contemporaneous email immediately afterward briefing him of Tad's request for removal.

We ban people from the site regularly due to inappropriate or rude behavior. We're not shy about taking responsibility for banning people when we do. You may feel that I would be somehow motivated to make up a story to make it seem we were happy with Tad, and would do never consider deleting him for cause. But, that is not the case. I felt Tad was acting like an ass. Tad was walking on thin ice. When Tad started spreading false rumors about ST being in the middle of an acquisition, and saying things like his rude and baseless accusation he posted that afternoon, where he claimed that Chris "doesn't really give a sh#t about eh community he's created here," I took offense. That kind of bullshit certainly rises to the kind of thing that might justify a person being kicked off the island. But, that isn't what happened. Instead, I posted on that thread at around 6p making it clear how I felt about Tad's false and rude comments about Chris.

What happened is that four and a half hours later, at 10:35pm that evening, Tad made an angry post requesting the removal of his content from the site. It seems clear that his recollection leaves that important detail out. I can't explain why he would not recall it. But, I can clarify that his request was accommodated without hesitation.
zBrown

Ice climber
Apr 24, 2019 - 03:05pm PT
Apparently, rust does indeed sometimes sleep. Asbestos? I do not know.

Section 12 of ASTM A 615-96a, "Standard Specification for Deformed and Plain Billet Steel Bars for Concrete Reinforcement," says that rust shall not be cause for rejection provided the weight, dimensions, cross-sectional area, and tensile properties of a hand-wire-brushed test specimen aren't less than the ASTM specification requires.

Section 7.4.2 of ACI 318-95, "Building Code Requirements for Structural Concrete," has a similar statement indicating that reinforcement with rust shall be considered satisfactory, provided the minimum dimensions (including height of deformations) and weight of a hand-wire-brushed test specimen aren't less than applicable ASTM specification requirements


https://fibercontrolinc.com/dangers-popcorn-ceilings-containing-asbestos#more-397
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Apr 27, 2019 - 05:57pm PT
All the time Ive got some of mine OWN to post too

here is that thar kid
Billy Strings
from 4/19/19 & 4/20/19
 Four Twenty fun(~};=2"
"I'm Still Here"
https://youtu.be/FEn6m5LmuFI
&
"Home of the Red Fox"/"Ole Slew Foot" 4/20/2019 Atlanta Georgia
(14 minutes)
4/20/2019 Atlanta Georgia
https://youtu.be/KKnkV8rm44w

&
Published on Apr 5, 2019
Billy Strings w/ Anders Beck (Greensky Bluegrass)
covers Jackson Browne’s “Running on Empty”
to close out WinterWonderGrass Squaw Valley 2019
at the Olympic Village Lodge on March 31, 2019.

https://youtu.be/7u0UNnilXcQ




The Easter Bunny is dead
After 17 years of hiding baskets at the end of a trail
spreading eggs across the acre at dawn
Then waking the kidlets:
some times seeing to it that they were bundled up
& well booted for the task,
French Toast & pancakes scrambled eggs, maybe bacon
Then off to be welcomed as attendees in the first wave of the faithful(Now the disgraceful)
Spit-polished yawning, but there for the day-break mass
All that in the past
My children slept in.

ln quiet reflection, I took a walk alone at dawn
Not even the dog came along.
What a Dog, K9, trained but with weak senses of sight & smell
So perfect black was abused, ruined by a puppy mill
We rescued her from all that.
Still, suffering from one lasting training flaw;
The velcro-like attachment from service training
will only go out if my wife orders her to.
The whole family, having stayed up late
to take part in a rough & frank conversation
after watching the Spike Lee Joint "Black Klansman"
All Slept in.
I cried
After all I have given & given up(living here in tic infested/)
to try to add to...
to raise up good faithful believers
to be a part in making a better world
my Church is in league with an undeniable evil
Its showplace burned down
It is no small irony that at the same time as that real-world configuration,
there was an inferno in this no-place.
A place I had pointed to as representational of the other thing
that I have held out as to be at least aspiring to be of a greater good.
The fact is that,
that religion too is equally be-frett with obvious hypocrisy.
I do not see the good in religions like climbing anymore

Lynne Leichtfuss. Sport climber. moving thru- ;Apr 21, 2019 - 05:08pm PT
Hey Gnome, my heart hears you. jesus is.....not religion. He is alive and there for each of us as soon as our eyes blink open each morning.

I need to explain, the sun has set here now.
An Easter like no other in my memory,
and one that coincided with Passover
A holiday that was also once of great importance
The stores here used to switch the rows of groceries.
Multi-faith services were held in local Churches & Temples
We were invited to join in the ritual meal, my children drawn out, included ...
it was a beautiful spiritual weekend that I deeply loved being a part of.

Yes, but now one must preface that what stands as the representation of the teachings
is the artifice bearing no resemblance to the true meanings of the teachings of love & humility
Of providing help & love to the needy
of always raising up
never lying with evil to achieve perceived gains/.

They gloat, they are satisfied, they see it that they are winning
not seeing or in a total disingenuous way have sold out completely in hopes of achieving a wrong-minded goal




Bluegrass generals The top 5 young pickers pickin' a madazz version
of B String's "Turmoil &Tinfoil"4/27/19
https://youtu.be/7X55lXsa4BE
Zay

climber
Monterey, Ca
Apr 29, 2019 - 10:19pm PT
a shameful day when this thread doesn't stay on the front page. bump
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Apr 29, 2019 - 11:27pm PT
Zay, yes
not sure if the embers can sustain The Flames?

There may be a point at which point we reach the point of no return though...

As well the "Turgid Troll' now callin' itself "charlieuniformnovtango",
threatens to bring this thread further down.
If that's possible?
That said;
Anyone's help is welcome.
So if you feel it, swing in any time.
Add a song say 'hey-now' bring a song or a picture.


WAIT 'cause Cuz,

there is something to be heard here
! ! a private hotel room show that kix it

Elite Suite (room 1612) Las Vegas 4/11/19

"Thick As A Brick/Fishin' Creek Blues"

https://youtu.be/MaKkQvAO1X4

I hope this sends you to it All
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw21tIo6r9GxSBkbxGbJUcupbkUTEPWiP

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Where There's No You (Green Room Session)
Reina del Cid
Published on Apr 21, 2019


https://youtu.be/1YHR7FWI7Go




Lyrics:

I’m going to get some air
and I don’t need a train to take me there
I’m going where the water’s blue
I’m going where there’s no you

I’m walking through a canyon range
these legs can take me miles and miles
away from your sweet face
Appalachia and the Rockies too
I’m going where there’s no you
Where there’s no you

Hello to the Great Divide
Hello to Caroline
Won’t stop till the borderline
California, here I come

I’m heading to the Garden State
wanna take the whole Atlantic in my arms and float away
I am swimming where the birds sing a different tune
I’m going where there’s no you
Where there’s no you

Hello to Mammoth Cave
Hello to the Everglades
Bring on the better days
Arkansas, how do you do?
And are you lonely too?

My darling, how’d I get this far?
See I’m halfway around the world
and I’m still wondering where you are
Well I can’t see what there is to do
so I keep going where there’s no you
where there’s no you
where there’s no you

I’m getting nowhere
and that’s the truth
‘cause I keep going
where there’s no you
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In the end of October 2016, 11 individuals came together for a climbing and cultural immersion experience in Joshua Tree, CA.

The event was hosted by Cliffhanger Guides at the world famous Sethspool.

For the 3 days we climbed, feasted, hung out with legends, did Yoga, got massages, and just basically had a blast!

A huge thank you to the amazing Lynn Hill and everyone who played a role in this awesome experience!


The Lynn Hill Experience with Cliffhanger Guides in Joshua Tree, CA
Published on Jan 13, 2017

https://youtu.be/I6ax8nUdvIU






Billy Strings

"Lonely at the Top"

https://youtu.be/3H38ffdeSfo
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Apr 30, 2019 - 12:08am PT



Grateful Dead
Published on Apr 7, 2014
live from Frost Amphitheater - Palo Alto, CA 4-27-85
 Scarlet Begonias_Eyes of the World

https://youtu.be/b1TEDceyDkU






A "LOW Level Lee" Randell recording

Published on Apr 16, 2019
Grateful Dead
04/17/83
Brendan Byrne Arena - East Rutherford, NJ



https://youtu.be/uWP-bvIVs0I



Set 1:
Touch Of Grey
Little Red Rooster
Dupree's Diamond Blues
Beat It On Down The Line
It Must Have Been The Roses
Cassidy
Big Railroad Blues
My Brother Esau
Peggy-O
Let It Grow
Might As Well
Set 2:
Help On The Way
Slipknot!
Franklin's Tower
Man Smart-Woman Smarter
Playin' In The Band
Drums
Love The One You're With
The Wheel
Playin' In The Band
Throwin' Stones
Not Fade Away
Encore:
Brokedown Palace
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Apr 30, 2019 - 12:48am PT
(~)}=>

Grateful Dead
04/28/71, Fillmore East - New York City, NY
( the midst of a 6 day run with everybody sittin' in Duane Allman, The Beach Boys)
Previously & individually posted
This was just Published on Apr 27, 2019

Set 1:
Truckin'
Beat It On Down The Line
Loser
El Paso
The Rub
Bird Song
Playin' In The Band
Cumberland Blues
Ripple
Me And Bobby McGee
I'm A King Bee
Bertha
Set 2:
Morning Dew
Me And My Uncle
Deal
Hard To Handle
Cryptical Envelopment
Drums
The Other One
Wharf Rat
Sugar Magnolia, -(starts@ 2:37:03)
Dark Star
St. Stephen
Not Fade Away
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad
Not Fade Away

https://youtu.be/kUTISGG6TpQ



--------------------------------------------------------------------------




The Frost Amphitheater, @ Stanford University,
Published on Apr 29, 2019, (lots of versions_before this)
It's 'The Frosts! !" my friend.

4/30/88

Let the Good Times Roll
Feel Like A Stranger
Row Jimmy
Play Video
Walkin' Blues
(Son House cover)
Play Video
Hey Pocky A-Way
(The Meters cover)
Play Video
Ramble On Rose
Play Video
Let It Grow
Play Video
Set 2:
Shakedown Street
Play Video
Man Smart, Woman Smarter
(King Radio cover)
Play Video
Ship of Fools
Play Video
Playing in the Band
(Bob Weir song)
Play Video
Drums
Play Video
Space
Play Video
Going Down the Road Feelin' Bad
(Henry Whitter cover)
Play Video
All Along the Watchtower
(Bob Dylan cover)
Play Video
Black Peter
Play Video
Sugar Magnolia
Play Video
Encore:
China Cat Sunflower
Play Video
I Know You Rider
([traditional] cover)
Play Video
One More Saturday Night
(Bob Weir song)



https://youtu.be/25-D6GNWBQM
Jim Clipper

climber
May 1, 2019 - 09:07pm PT
They shouldn't a done the mouse that way. All I'm sayin'.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 1, 2019 - 10:44pm PT
So what was he done for, photo bombing his own thread?
Bushman

climber
Venus photo -by bushman
May 1, 2019 - 10:50pm PT
^^^^^
what Jim said...


twenty nineteen to do’s

weed the front flower bed
dig up and pot the cedar
demo the old workbench
pick up a load of gravel
level out the area
place cinderblock supports
mount the new workbench
mark calendar for travel

dig holes and plant new pine trees
survive with sizable bumps
plan to earn more money
plan to stay alive
continue with highs and lows
put new tires the bicycle
manage to stay upright
peddle instead of drive

never plan to finish
whatever requires completion
size up every stranger
find silence between the words
practice the kazoo
spend more time on useless talents
devote another year to saving
squander it on the birds

mow the bottom field
think about new fencing
remember how the kids played
replace the garden gate
hook up the irrigation
water the plants and flowers
don’t forget the trees
and hope it’s not too late

-all the bushman can muster


Stay tuned for next week’s poem titled;
“I didn’t mean to get stoned!”

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
May 2, 2019 - 12:59am PT
mouse's timing his whole life has been special
For when the cleaver has fallen to the left
da mouse's worm has turned left into the falling blade

Bad timing every time
Like when Caught playin' hookey in the pole vaulting pit
by the school's truant officer & the girl's track coach
who were themselves there "sharing"
mouse saw them sharing A cigarette

Had that mouse seen what?
what had the mouse in his mouth?
was that a knowing smile?

& so still being wet behind the ears
having no idea what he hadn't seen
and small, bad timing would follow him
down the hall

Always on double secret probation
When the cleaver came down mouse was there
used like fodder for the cannons
when bibles were used as cannon balls
the cleaver hadda` come down


While Fencing the sharp end pierced the eye-ball
A canning accident ? or militarily abused?
all that run of peaches was a thumb thing
while serving too
 just trying to get along

Posting a few political memes, scathing of the orangutan & thief
At just the wrong moment was the mouse of merceds only crime

giving the powers that be
Who cliam to be -under attack-
a chance to make an example of someone
Herding cats . . .

Playing it up for effect - . - . -
taking the most prolific picture poster down

Removing a single Entity with 46 thousand pictures.
The most prolific poster with posts across the board

 The Poster Boy, if you will...
& With his own hiding place in the machine

An all day everyday poster deleted by management;
showing opposing counsel that steps were being taken

& then following with a shower of thousands
more deletions following for days and weeks going on




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""
Yo.Yo.Yab.Yum? given the cliffs are closed till late july
That climb is a destination climb now!~ !!~ ""










Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
May 2, 2019 - 02:21am PT
--PosterBoy1 (PB1)

the onslaught cuntinues


the shaft
the big dick
the screwdriver

or so Phillip said
was my fate
I cannot fight fate

it finds its own way
shear luck sometimes
that the thread stays uncut

but I will not see the Taco cord cut
not quite yet
or maybe never

say there hey
what say
say what you will NOT

never say never
never say die
though we're all gonna

won't be today
hope it won't be manana
but manana is another day

I've been a hey bale bucker
I'm an all day sucker
and a keepin' on trucker

sport climbing sucks
sport climbing is BS
sport climb at your own risk

posting here is dangerous
posting here used to be fun
post here knowing you're limited in what say you have in what you
want to say

--MFM
zBrown

Ice climber
May 2, 2019 - 06:16pm PT
Well, the neighborhood bully, he's just one man
His enemies say he's on the lam
They got him outnumbered about a million to one
He got no place to escape to, no place to run
He's the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully he just lives to survive
He's criticized and condemned for being alive
He's not supposed to fight back, he's supposed to have thick skin
He's supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in
He's the neighborhood bully.

Trump

climber
May 2, 2019 - 07:31pm PT
We came, we posted, we moved on.

I liked that guy.

Don’t cry for me Argentina!
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
May 3, 2019 - 12:52am PT
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
May 3, 2019 - 01:15am PT
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