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dirtbag
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Nov 13, 2009 - 01:22pm PT
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Why are those creationists so wrong about everything?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 13, 2009 - 01:30pm PT
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Are all republicans 6,000 yrs old?
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midarockjock
climber
USA
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Nov 13, 2009 - 01:35pm PT
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I don't think they account the ice age chronology for inclusion of mankind.
Not I.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 13, 2009 - 01:38pm PT
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I don't think they count....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2009 - 01:39pm PT
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God bless the atheists. Lord knows we need it!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2009 - 01:49pm PT
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Why F?
because Theists "believe" totally, their beliefs are not subject to
the scrutiny of reason and logic.
It is a pure faith thing, no one will come away unchanged from their
original beliefs, one way or another, from this thread.
Therefore, we all know on both sides, that this is pointless dialog.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 13, 2009 - 02:13pm PT
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Reason and logic must be there in a bonafide system.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2009 - 02:34pm PT
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"What can you say about a society that says that the Divine is dead and
Elvis is ALIVE?"
Irv Kupcinet
You can say it's half correct.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 13, 2009 - 02:35pm PT
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I only ask you and other believers respect my "not believing".
If you have been following any of my dialog in this thread I have said the atheist is on the correct platform.
The atheist does not "see" god therefore at that stage they remain there.
This is the correct method. Not that the atheist creates some bogus bullsh'it and calls it a religion and misleads.
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midarockjock
climber
USA
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Nov 13, 2009 - 03:55pm PT
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Have you studied Satanism?
My opinion without looking at the Proctor Gamble or other cases again
to see if they are considered a lawful religion, is that they are not. This
is due to their inner teachings of the 10 commandments which would
make them outlaws, however what about Revelation or even Daniel?
I noted to some atheist that the US Constitution provides for freedom
of religion and not freedom from? Unlike the Satanist and other religions
I have never read or heard of a atheist condone a rights violation or possible
illegal or unlawful act.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 13, 2009 - 04:03pm PT
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Didn't he kinda say that?
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 13, 2009 - 04:12pm PT
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Yes
In general they (atheists) do not.
There are extremes to everything.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2009 - 04:19pm PT
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Dawkins wrote a book and made money from it.
I doubt his real agenda was to "convert" Deists to becoming atheists.
He is a realist, he knows that is not possible.
Reason and logic have no place in "faith"
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2009 - 04:29pm PT
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I assume they were grade schoolers who just learned how to read?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2009 - 05:00pm PT
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Del, I bought the book and have it here!
I apologize for thinking he had a thought of "converting" theists!
I would have thought this was impossible.
And, I don't think he converted many "deists".
His book lays out reason and logic, both of which are ineffective
in talking to Deists.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Nov 13, 2009 - 05:09pm PT
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"I noted to some atheist that the US Constitution provides for freedom
of religion and not freedom from?"
Maybe someone needs to actually read the constitution? It does not provide for freedom of religion. Go read it and write up a report on what it says and then be taken seriously.
Dave
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 13, 2009 - 05:09pm PT
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I've listened to some of the recent atheist books via audio. They have many points that are well taken and well reasoned. Problem is that many of their points are based on baseless assumptions about the nature of God and the relationship of God to Life and this world.
Stuff like "If there were a God and he really cared...."
"If God were all powerful, he could do (such and such seemingly desirable thing)
All they prove is that both they, and many religious persons, have simplistic views of the divine. All that proves nothing regarding whether there is God or not, just as disproving every idea that a 4 year old has about his parents wouldn't disprove his parents existence.
Peace
Karl
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Nov 13, 2009 - 05:10pm PT
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Dawkins was preaching to the choir with that book. Now that's a funny irony.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2009 - 05:12pm PT
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2009 - 05:13pm PT
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oh I would guess one heck of a lot of people who are NOT atheists (choir)
bought the book, probably many many more than the official 8% of the
general US population who say when polled they do not believe in a "god"
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