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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2011 - 09:11pm PT
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Nice articles on the arctic sea ice.
From the NASA article:
"The winds causing this trend in ice reduction were set up by an unusual pattern of atmospheric pressure that began at the beginning of this century," Nghiem said.
That is, the unusual wind patterns started about 10 years ago. This fits nicely in with the AWG science, which predicts that weather patterns will change significantly as a result of the Earth's warming.
Wouldn't you agree, this is a significant change in weather patterns?
Now, let me know when you find peer-reviewed scientific articles that counter the AWG claims.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2011 - 09:19pm PT
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Hell, show me anywhere in the original NASA report where AGW is indicated.
Are you saying these articles have nothing to do with AWG?
If so, then why are you using them to counter AWG science?
Edit
The fact that AWG is neither mentioned as a contributing factor to the winds nor absolved as a factor contributing to the winds does not in any way indicate whether or not a warming planet could be the cause of this new weather pattern.
People, scientists especially, need to be very cautious if they publicly announce that a weather pattern or event is the result of AWG. Tell me you're astute enough to recognize this.
That being said, the more "odd" weather patterns we experience, the more folks will connect the dots. It is already happening (in fact, that's the whole point of the video I posted earlier). However, for scientists to claim such a thing, they have to provide proof. And that will take years of study to cement into an actual scientific claim--in my opinion time not well spent.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Jun 22, 2011 - 09:45pm PT
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Go ahead Warmists and wave your documents in the air and look serious while stroking your beards.
No ones buying your 'we're gonna burn up doomsday act.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 22, 2011 - 10:00pm PT
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Me:
Oh yes a V8 4X4 pickup usually gets better mpg than a prius LMAO.
The Chief:
In 6" plus of fresh snow they sure as hell do FET which is 75 of the time in my world from late Nov to the middle of April.
I aint no flatlander city folk like yourself and most of them Yupper Prius drivers who head to my neighborhood for the weekend and then leave their WAG BAGS behind.
I just had to drag out this previous exchange.
Of course this is funny because The Chief is claiming a V8 4X4 pickup gets better mpg than a prius in snow.
But it's also amusing how someone living on a lot in a mobile home park calls me city folk though I live on 12 acres.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 22, 2011 - 10:14pm PT
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Yes a 12 acre plot in the middle of the city... makes sense.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 22, 2011 - 10:18pm PT
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Please do continue with your one-sided demeaning condenscending disrespectful outta your tiny dickbrain posts towards those that do not agree with your fanatical dooms day pos.
i applaud you for keeping it respectful Chief. LOL.
Keep pretending it's about fanatical dooms day pos, I think you've almost got yourself convinced that's how we really feel.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 22, 2011 - 10:34pm PT
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And I'm not going to lose anything. I'm not in support of this supposed worldwide, one govt., socialist scam, that you seem to be afraid of. I'll be fine. And in fact if global warming keeps bringing extreme weather like the record snowfall to the Sierra I'll enjoy it. I'm concerned about the standard of living and quality of life for people in the future. And as I said the deniers may delay action on AGW until it's effects are too expensive to deny and then we'll get serious about it, it will just cost more to deal with. But hey let them worry about it right?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 22, 2011 - 10:42pm PT
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Dr. F you didn't understand my post. But I guess it wasn't that clear and somewhat callous.
Extreme weather from AGW could make things bad for lot's of people, so of course I don't want it to happen. But for me personally, in my lifetime, and where I live the effects may not be all bad.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 22, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
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Chief!
You forgot to throw in that he is probably also a fancy latte sipping, Iphone using, Metrosexual from liberal hell.
I mean, if you're gonna insult someone, don't bring a wiffle bat to home plate at Yankee Stadium!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 22, 2011 - 11:12pm PT
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I respect Al Gore as an advocate for Curbing Green House Gas Emissions
And trying to open a dialog with average non-scientific people
Thanks Al
Keep up the Good Work
ALGORE"S Santa Barbara, second house.
Or maybe it's the third or forth, but hey, he deserves it.
He does so much for the environment!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 22, 2011 - 11:21pm PT
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FET: Of course the effects of CC will not be bad for you and where you live. You are 145% above avg for precip and plush. In an area that NORMALLY (if such an ideal truly exists) is dry and barren.
Chief, there you go assuming and projecting again.
Actually a perennial stream runs through our property and we have probably over 1000 large trees.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 22, 2011 - 11:39pm PT
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I respect Al Gore as an advocate for Curbing Green House Gas Emissions
And trying to open a dialog with average non-scientific people
Thanks Al
Keep up the Good Work
And he has a very nice house
Go AL
Meanwhile I grow most of what we eat in the back yard and bicycle to work,
But I'm an
EVIL
Republican,
Continue on Dr. Fraud
Ann was correct.
You are just a member of a messiah worshiping mob.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 22, 2011 - 11:54pm PT
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Chief....your 4wd would get better mileage than that prius if you'd take your chains off...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 23, 2011 - 12:02am PT
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hey TGT do you fly?
infrequently
And with maximized efficiency. Multiple calls on the same trip.
All to do with the bottom line.
Nothing to do with AGW
ALGORE has a nice Gulf Stream V though!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 23, 2011 - 09:37am PT
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Rising Sea Levels 6/23/11
WASHINGTON -- Sea level has been rising significantly over the past century of global warming, according to a study that offers the most detailed look yet at the changes in ocean levels during the last 2,100 years.
The researchers found that since the late 19th century – as the world became industrialized – sea level has risen more than 2 millimeters per year, on average. That's a bit less than one-tenth of an inch, but it adds up over time.
It will lead to land loss, more flooding and saltw#ter invading bodies of fresh water, said lead researcher Benjamin Horton whose team examined sediment from North Carolina's Outer Banks. He directs the Sea Level Research Laboratory at the University of Pennsylvania.
The predicted effects he cites aren't new and are predicted by many climate scientists. But outside experts say the research verifies increasing sea level rise compared to previous centuries.
Kenneth Miller, chairman of the Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Rutgers University, called the new report significant.
"This is a very important contribution because it firmly establishes that the rise in sea level in the 20th century is unprecedented for the recent geologic past," said Miller, who was not part of the research team. Miller said he recently advised New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie that the state needs to plan for a sea level rise of about 3 feet by the end of the century.
Horton said rising temperatures are the reason behind the higher sea level.
Looking back in history, the researchers found that sea level was relatively stable from 100 B.C. to A.D. 950. Then, during a warm climate period beginning in the 11th century, sea level rose by about half a millimeter per year for 400 years. That was followed by a second period of stable sea level associated with a cooler period, known as the Little Ice Age, which persisted until the late 19th century.
Rising sea levels are among the hazards that concern environmentalists and governments with increasing global temperatures caused by "greenhouse" gases like carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels like coal and oil over the last century or so.
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Jun 23, 2011 - 11:41am PT
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If that's true about Al Gore's house and plane and sh#t - then yeah, he's an ass and a hypocrite. Pretty typical of politicians.
Doesn't change the facts, though. And him being a hypocrite doesn't mean I should be any less mindful of my own carbon use.
GO
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 23, 2011 - 11:50am PT
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Heck, even Bush's ranch in Crawford was all self-sustainable and all.
The Chief, quick to point out the difference in CO2 output between the two Gulfs. Impressive.
But true that, I don't run my life in comparison to wealthy high-rollers.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 23, 2011 - 11:58am PT
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I don't care how many heat pumps and solar arrays he has in Tennessee. Just
lighting the fires in that Gulfstream negates a year's worth of solar arrays.
Sheer and utter hypocrisy. What, flying commercial business/first class
isn't good enough for a man of the people? Gimmee a break.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 23, 2011 - 12:05pm PT
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If you're interested - a GIV burns +/- 700 gallons the first hour
and 450 gallons/hr thereafter.*
SMOKIN'!
* Almost twice as much as a Bombardier RJ with 70 pax!!!!!!!
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jun 23, 2011 - 12:18pm PT
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If that's true about Al Gore's house and plane and sh#t - then yeah, he's an ass and a hypocrite. Pretty typical of politicians.
Doesn't change the facts, though. And him being a hypocrite doesn't mean I should be any less mindful of my own carbon use.
The fact of the matter is that most people spend (that is consume) whatever they make in their lifetimes. For a few there might be a big difference between what they inherit and what they pass on, but that is pretty much the exception.
I'm not thrilled to see the luxurious lifestyle of the rich and superrich, but if somebody who is superrich (the Al Gores and George Soros) wants to support progressives causes even as they live a lifestyle commensurate with their wealth, I think that is preferable than the alternatives.
Even an American making an average to below average income of $25,000~$50,000 has a luxurious and wastefull life compared to the say 2 billion people in this world living on a few dollars a day.
If you ride your bike to work, great. But however, green your choices, most Americans find a way to essentially spend everything they make consuming resourses that are not sustainable in the long run.
peace
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