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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Dec 31, 2015 - 09:38am PT
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recent crop of leaders who seem to ignore laws, constitution, culture.
Are there charges pending? Who's getting arrested? The GOP wingNuts control congress, where's the impeachment hearings? How can they allow this wanton lawlessness to continue?
Oh, you mean they violate YOUR interpretation of the constitution. I get it.
Ignore culture??? Don't go there, please. Not on a public forum.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 31, 2015 - 09:43am PT
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Hell yes. I had two sons of cannon fodder age. I didn't raise them to feed the machine based on the lies of GWB'S regime.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 31, 2015 - 10:04am PT
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Ah, so cannon fodder for righteous wars is ok? It's really an 'eye of the beholder' sort of deal from where I sit and fodder is fodder.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Dec 31, 2015 - 10:12am PT
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I love correlation charts.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Dec 31, 2015 - 10:20am PT
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love correlation charts.
It's right there in front of your eyes. The International Mechanical code was adopted in 2009.
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Joron
Trad climber
Hoodland, Oregon
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Dec 31, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
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Again, I spent 37 years working on union construction projects. Laborer, apprentice carpenter, journeyman carpenter, foreman, superintendent, project manager, senior project manager - pretty much seen it all both as a worker and a manager.
Unions aren't perfect, but for a career in the construction trades, from what I've seen, its a pretty damn good way to go. The four year carpenter apprenticeship is a great program with excellent training facilities. Two hundred training centers across the country with $200 million invested in training annually. The curriculum is excellent - Journeyman upgrades, foreman training, superintendent training, specialized fields, green construction - its all there.
UNIONS are bad for business.. in my opinion it's Un American..
Sounds like you are clueless about business or construction. Well paid trained workers with a health plan and a real pension are bad for business? - anti-union sounds more un-american to me.
I worked for a medium size contractor that has been in business for 79 years and doing quite well. We delivered a high quality product, took on difficult projects and jobs with tough schedules, then came in on budget and on time. I'm familiar with many other union contractors that have been in business for many years and are very successful. CW Driver in LA has been around since 1919 and Lease Crutcher Lewis in Seattle has been in business for 137 years. These companies and the Carpenter's union aren't going away anytime soon. In the construction business skilled craftsmen are crucial for success.
my buddy Sam is a commercial under water construction worker and they aint got no UNION..
Yeah, and he probably ain't got no real pension, excellent health plan and opportunities for skill advancement training. Here's the link to our Commercial Diver Training Program. Looks pretty darn good to me!
https://www.carpenters.org/Home/WestDIVER.aspx
as for the Skyscraper builders just pay em what they are worth and use an HR dept. plenty of laws out there these days to ensure quality work place environment for the so called big bad union workers..
Spent more than a few years on high rise projects. If we paid them what they're worth if it would be more than union scale - not less! You obviously don't know the work. Dangerous, demanding, dirty, ugly weather, screaming foremen and exhausting... hmm sounds a bit like climbing! It was always "as#@&%es and elbows" on these projects for me and if you couldn't cut it you were down the road pronto!
I'm working on it got 38 more years before retire hope I can invent or produce money..
Good luck with that!
Carpenter's pension - "80 and out" / years of service + age = 80 - eligible for full pension.
Now back to the loser Trump!
AMERICA IS ALREADY GREAT!
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Dec 31, 2015 - 03:42pm PT
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Happiegrrrl2: I'm pretty sure that pyro is barking mad, but I was reassured to learn that his hammer swings both ways, not that there's anything wrong with that.
I am sincerely incapable of understanding what all this hatred towards organized labour is about - unions are run by their members, and if they're not, then someone should call the cops.
I have worked a wide variety of jobs in my lifetime - both union and non-union, and it's been my experience that there's little to differentiate between how hard the workers perform. This, I believe, is for a pretty obvious reason: if someone starts goofing off, then one of his (or her) co-workers has to pick up the slack, which is not going to please the person doing so. The boss is also probably going to notice, and, assuming the boss has taken the trouble to read the terms and conditions of employment that are part of the agreement negotiated between workers and management, then there's nothing the union can do to protect the member that isn't doing his or her job properly. Trust me on this - I was a boss in a workplace that was represented by a powerful union and I had the unpleasant task of firing a sub-par employee. I felt bad about it, but I did it by the book and that employee was gone.
Another two anecdotes, again both true:
-I was working in a union shop for an incompetent non-union boss, but we LOVED the guy. We covered his ass for years so that his bosses didn't fire his non-union ass.
-The hardest I ever worked was for a unionized logging operation (IWA) called Crown Zellerbach. As the new guy, I was kind of a floater, so I was assigned to a variety of jobs. At no time were we supervised, but those guys I worked with gave the proverbial 110% effort - even down to coffee and lunch breaks, which were timed to the minute.
Woody Guthrie said it best when he sang about people who hated unions (I'm paraphrasing here): he stated that some people are just plain mean. They can't stand the sight of people being treated fairly.
EDIT
BLUEBLOCKR: Many thanks & best wishes for the New Year
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Dec 31, 2015 - 03:59pm PT
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Union bashing is more of the scripted brainwashing leaked via Fox News the patritotic cheer leading team for the 1%..
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dec 31, 2015 - 05:17pm PT
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I'm not at all convinced.
I can swing a hammer because I rope Solo the washington column PROW and climbed Half domes the TISSASACK.. Love NAILING..
I found CRANKSTER's brother..
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/10/local/la-me-miramonte-20120210
dude was paid by LAUSD 40,000 dollars to whatever..
u guys are sick!
If we paid them what they're worth if it would be more than union scale - not less! You obviously don't know the work. Dangerous, demanding, dirty, ugly weather, screaming foremen and exhausting...
WTF are u talking about .. I go to work too!
Carpenter's pension - "80 and out" / years of service + age = 80 - eligible for full pension.
dude i'm probably banking way more money than you.. and guess what My boss is A Lesbian Dike! :)
here is another example..
Grandpa build Rockets.. way better than building a building.
My grandpa had way cooler job than you and it wasn't a UNION gig.
It was a BUILDING AMERICA job.
Unions aren't perfect NO SH#T!
Happy new year freaks.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Dec 31, 2015 - 05:28pm PT
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^^^
Pyro, I could falsely claim that you shot at me, and have you arrested for attempted murder. The DA/police would then investigate. Now let's assume you didn't actually shoot at me, hell you weren't even in the same county at the time, but the DA started an investigation to determine the facts of the case.
Now if your employer fired you, simply because you were being "investigated" for a crime? Not convicted, not charged, not on trial. Yeah, well, that's where the Board of Ed f*#ked up. If they weren't ignorant dipshits, they would have put the guy on admin leave pending results. But they didn't. They were in the wrong, and their lawyers know good and damn well they are in the wrong. That's why they offered to settle.
I have no idea whether the guy was guilty, innocent or any facts of the charges or case itself. But it is completely clear that the BOE screwed the pooch by firing the guy without just cause AT THE TIME HE WAS FIRED.
I don't expect you to actually grok nuance, hell I actually thought you were an English as a second language person for years here, because you come across as marginally literate at best. Gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were ESL. Turns out you're just dumb as a stump.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Dec 31, 2015 - 06:05pm PT
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Elcapinyoazz: I'm perfectly serious here: I honestly believe pyro is insane. The only other explanation is that he has such low intelligence that, even among those who share his beliefs, he wins first prize for stupid.
I really am trying to be objective.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dec 31, 2015 - 06:29pm PT
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Elcapinyoazz: I'm perfectly serious here: I honestly believe pyro is insane. stweard
That right IGNORANCE IS BLISS..
edit:
Sorry Jim it's a point to show my Hammer time skills original A5 hammer #108 in that pic..
back to Donald
Criminal deportations in the U.S. are the lowest number in many years. We are letting criminals knowingly stay in our country. MUST CHANGE!
for steard
JORANN oops' JORON u have not been around the taco long e-nuff to comment.
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Joron
Trad climber
Hoodland, Oregon
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Dec 31, 2015 - 06:54pm PT
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I'm with you Stewart!
But, my grandpappy was in WW1 and earned the purple heart in the Battle of Argonne. :)
Happy New Year
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Dec 31, 2015 - 07:13pm PT
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For which side?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Dec 31, 2015 - 07:24pm PT
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Joron: ...and his hammer swings both ways. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Gotta admit that I truly thought pyro was nuts until he showed us a picture of his A5 hammer #108.
Overwhelming proof that I was mistaken.
Happy New Year Joron.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Dec 31, 2015 - 07:28pm PT
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Pyro.
You know how good a man is with a hammer by how much tape is on his hands.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Dec 31, 2015 - 07:30pm PT
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I can swing a hammer because I rope Solo the washington column PROW
Ummm. It goes hammerless.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Dec 31, 2015 - 07:33pm PT
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Lorenzo: Priceless.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 31, 2015 - 08:46pm PT
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You know how good a man is with a hammer by how much tape is on his hands.
Hahahaha...., Thanks for the chuckles fellers at the end of this two thousand and fifteenth year of notoriety <8^D
sometimes you gotta play the big fish inorder to get them to the shore.
Happy New Year Allll
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dec 31, 2015 - 08:51pm PT
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Ummm. It goes hammerless.
Lorenzo
all wall climbers carry wall Hammers just in case of FIXED piece failures..
ROYAL Robbins who was from STONEY POINT would Approval..
PITON craft is a lost art but I know that skill..
PEACE happy new year SWELL is building I"M OUT..
XXOO
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