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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Occupy LA leaves behind 60,000 lbs of garbage (plus their feces and urine)
but most shocking is how these people failed to sort it into recycle
trash, and compost bins! WTF Occupy?
Add environmental criminal to Occupies nefarious activities.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Carrying on from skipt's comment, maroon is a combination of blue and red. There are morans of all political stripes and colours. More right wing, of course - inbreeding, ignorance and lack of education have that effect.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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We'll soon see if Occupy San Francisco is responsible enough to clean up their campsite.
My guess is they'll trash the place.
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malabarista
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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OWS will live on in one form or another. I'm in, but too busy to occupy on a daily basis since I'm working right now. However I would gladly sit in with them on the weekends sometimes.
Some of you GOP sock puppets guys act like not working is such a big deal. As if work solves everything. The whole "get a job" jab is stupid. I had some guy yell "get a job hippie" at me once when I was pulling in 100K. I guess he thought having long hair means I wasn't employed. Several times in my life I have chosen not to work for extended periods and always got back into good jobs when I was tired of hanging out.
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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I'm sure they'll have time to clean up as the cops bust their asses and haul them off.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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"especially for a Climber"
 anyone able to make the comment noted above.. is not a climber..
Just trying keep it real.
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malabarista
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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Let's see. Some trash left in the park versus 8 years of Bush malfeasance. One takes an afternoon to cleanup the other takes a lifetime.
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BrianH
Trad climber
santa fe
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You should fly out for the OWS LA roust, I have a couple of friends on LAPD who could give you the full experience.
O'Brien: If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever. 1984, George Orwell.
In jest, we see the real agenda, scared people blindly worshiping power.
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BrianH
Trad climber
santa fe
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Could be any one of a hundred code sections, how about failing to obey the lawful order of a peace officer. The press are not allowed to break the law.
Neither are the cops. Responding with overwhelming force and violence, destroying personal property, demanding unreasonable bonds, and unnecessarily long detentions during arraignment (all well documented throughout the country) is not a lawful response. If anything, our heavily armed police officers have a higher obligation to obey the law then anyone, something they have consistently failed to do.
Winston Smith: I know you'll fail. Something in this world... some spirit you will never overcome...
O'Brien: What is it, this principle?
Winston Smith: I don't know. The spirit of man.
O'Brien: And do you consider yourself a man?
Winston Smith: Yes.
O'Brien: If you're a man, Winston, you're the last man. Your kind is extinct. We are the inheritors. Do you realize that you are alone? You are outside history. You unexist. Get up.
[Winston gets up and O'Brien shows him his reflection in a mirror. Winston is disheveled and beaten]
O'Brien: *That* is the last man. If you are human, *that* is humanity.
Fattrad, is this your vision for the future? It sure sounds like it.
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BrianH
Trad climber
santa fe
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typical ad hominem attack, the resort of the scoundrel who's thoughts are bankrupt. Unlike you fattrad, I work hard at my job, which is why I post here only occasionally.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oh, the list of "conservative" failures is endless.
Why right here in this country, we are fighting our way back out of the Republican RECESSION started under Bush 2007.
Remember that one?
When we were LOSING 700,000 jobs a MONTH?
And the stock market LOSt 50% of its value?
All turned around now under Democrat Obama.
Now gaining hundreds of thousands of jobs a month.
The stock market now UP over 40% since he took office.
But, don't them them pesky, bookwormy learned facts hit you in your ignorant ass.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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No, he never gave them the chance. You're an idiot.
I'm surely not a scholar of history, and I have always been particularly appalled at what Jewish and other endured/succumbed to/ran from in nazi Germany, but when fattrad wrote the above, I wondered about it and entered the google search of "did nazi's ever suggest jews leave germany?"
One thing that I found(very shallow attempt on my part to research) was this...
The pressure on Jews to leave Germany intensified. Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Reinhard Heydrich organized a new programme designed to encourage Jews to emigrate. Crystal Night took place on 9th-10th November, 1938. Presented as a spontaneous reaction of the German people to the news that a German diplomat had been murdered by a young Jewish refugee in Paris, the whole event was in fact organized by the NSDAP.
reference link: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERjews.htm
So.... it may have been a very ugly suggestion to leave but apparently, that was the intention.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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I think you need to move from our wonderful country.
Isn't that what Hitler said to your people not too long ago?
No, he never gave them the chance. You're an idiot.
Well they should have known better and moved along.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Top GOP Strategist Admits He’s ‘Scared’ Of Occupy Wall Street Because It’s ‘Having An Impact’
By Zaid Jilani on Dec 1, 2011 at 10:15 am
Pollster Frank Luntz
The Republican Governor’s Association met in Florida this week and featured pollster Frank Luntz, who offered a coaching session for attendees about how they should communicate to the public. Yahoo! News’ Chris Moody was there, and captured some of Luntz’s comments on Occupy Wall Street.
Luntz told attendees that he’s “scared of this anti-Wall Street effort. I’m frightened to death.” The pollster warned that the movement is “having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism.” So the pollster offered some advice for them about how to fight back. Here’s a few snippets of what he said, according to Moody:
– Don’t Mention Capitalism: Luntz said that his polling research found that “The public…still prefers capitalism to socialism, but they think capitalism is immoral. And if we’re seen as defenders of quote, Wall Street, end quote, we’ve got a problem.”
– Empathize With The 99 Percent Protesters: Luntz instructed attendees to tell protesters that they “get it”: “First off, here are three words for you all: ‘I get it.’ … ‘I get that you’re. I get that you’ve seen inequality. I get that you want to fix the system.”
– Don’t Say Bonus: Luntz told Republicans to re-frame the concept of the bonus payment — which bailed-out Wall Street doles out to its employees during holidays — as “pay for performance” instead.
– Don’t Mention The Middle Class Because Americans Don’t Trust Republicans To Defend It: “They cannot win if the fight is on hardworking taxpayers,” Luntz instructed the audience. “We can say we defend the ‘middle class’ and the public will say, I’m not sure about that. But defending ‘hardworking taxpayers’ and Republicans have the advantage.”
– Don’t Talk About Taxing The Rich: Luntz reminded Republicans that Americans actually do want to tax the rich, so he reccommended they instead say that the government “takes from the rich.”
Frank Luntz is no minor pollster. He is considered to be one of the top political communications experts in the world, having provided consulting to many of the world’s top corporations, politicians, and special interest groups. That Luntz is admitting the impact of Occupy Wall Street and the 99 Percent and telling closed-door meetings of Republicans that it frightens him is a huge victory for the movement.
http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/12/01/379365/frank-luntz-occupy-wall-street/
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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He's skeered of a disorganized rabble of unwashed unemployed hippies, malcontents and miscreants. What a whimp! Send in the GasBaggers and bitch about the litter.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sunday Reflection: The higher ed bubble is bursting, so what comes next?
By: Glenn Harlan Reynolds | 12/03/11 8:05 PM
A couple of years back, I suggested in these pages that higher education was facing a bubble much like the housing bubble: An overpriced good, propped up by cheap government-subsidized credit, luring borrowers and lenders alike into a potentially disastrous mess.
Subsequent events have proved me right as students have begun to think twice about indebtedness and schools have begun to face pressure over tuition. For higher education, costs have skyrocketed even as the value of their product has been declining, and people are starting to notice.
Just last week, the New York Times, normally a big fan of higher education, ran an article on "The Dwindling Power of a College Degree." In our grandparents' day, a college diploma nearly guaranteed a decent job.
Now, not so much: "One of the greatest changes is that a college degree is no longer the guarantor of a middle-class existence. Until the early 1970s, less than 11 percent of the adult population graduated from college, and most of them could get a decent job. Today nearly a third have college degrees, and a higher percentage of them graduated from non-elite schools. A bachelor's degree on its own no longer conveys intelligence and capability."
This is a simple case of inflation: When you artificially pump up the supply of something (whether it's currency or diplomas), the value drops. The reason why a bachelor's degree on its own no longer conveys intelligence and capability is that the government decided that as many people as possible should have bachelor's degrees.
There's something of a pattern here. The government decides to try to increase the middle class by subsidizing things that middle class people have: If middle class people go to college and own homes, then surely if more people go to college and own homes, we'll have more middle class people.
But homeownership and college aren't causes of middle-class status, they're markers for possessing the kinds of traits -- self-discipline, the ability to defer gratification, etc. -- that let you enter, and stay in, the middle class.
Subsidizing the markers doesn't produce the traits; if anything, it undermines them. One might as well try to promote basketball skills by distributing expensive sneakers.
Professional basketball players have expensive sneakers, but -- TV commercials notwithstanding -- it's not the shoes that make them good at dunking.
If the government really wants to encourage people to achieve, and maintain, middle-class status, it should be encouraging things like self-discipline and the ability to defer gratification. But that's not how politics works.
Passing out goodies generates more votes, even though doing so undermines the character traits upon which prosperity depends. That may change as the global political class, pretty much everywhere, runs out of other people's money, but it hasn't quite changed yet.
For higher education, the solution is more value for less money. Student loans, if they are to continue, should be made dischargeable in bankruptcy after five years -- but with the school that received the money on the hook for all or part of the unpaid balance.
Up until now, the loan guarantees have meant that colleges, like the writers of subprime mortgages a few years ago, got their money up front, with any problems in payment falling on someone else.
Make defaults expensive to colleges, and they'll become much more careful about how much they lend and what kinds of programs they offer. China, which has already faced its own higher education bubble, is simply shutting down programs that produce too many unemployable graduates.
So far, Sinophile pundits like the New York Times' Tom Friedman don't seem to be pushing this idea for America. I wonder why not.
Another response is an increased emphasis on non-college education. As the Wall Street Journal has noted, skilled trades are doing quite well. For the past several decades, America's enthusiasm for college has led to a lack of enthusiasm for vocational education.
That may be changing as philanthropists ranging from Andy Grove of Intel to Home Depot's Bernie Marcus work to encourage the skilled trades. We need people who can make things, and it's harder to outsource a plumbing or welding job to somebody in Bangalore.
Of course, the thing about skilled trades is that they require skill. Even with training, not everyone makes a good welder or machinist any more than just anyone can become a doctor or lawyer.
And there are dangers in focusing too narrowly on a career path that looks good right now: The biggest constant in the global economy of the past several decades has been wrenching change. Jobs that look great today may not look so good in a few years.
The answer to that, I think, is adaptability. Whether their training is liberal arts, engineering or a trade, most people getting out of high school today will probably have to navigate multiple career paths over a lifetime.
How do we teach adaptability? That's a subject for another column, but you might ask yourself: Are tenured professors the best people to do that?
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/12/sunday-reflection-higher-ed-bubble-bursting-so-what-comes-next/1969376#ixzz1fgHrWlFc
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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sell-out or citizen:
Occupier gets an occupation
By CYNTHIA R. FAGEN
Last Updated: 4:44 AM, December 5, 2011
Posted: 12:51 AM, December 5, 2011
She’s gone from Occupy Wall Street to occupying a job on Wall Street.
Down-on-her-luck protester Tracy Postert spent 15 days washing sidewalks and making sandwiches at Zuccotti Park — then landed a dream job at a Financial District investment firm thanks to a high-powered passer-by who offered her work.
“I never thought I would be doing this,’’ Postert admitted to The Post.
The Upper West Sider, who has a Ph.D. in biomedical science specializing in pharmacology, was unemployed and had all but given up on finding work in her preferred field of academia when she joined the movement in October.
She held signs that read, “Reagan sucks,” and, “I’ll vote after the revolution.”
But she said she still needed to get a real job. So she made a new sign.
On the front, she wrote, “Ph.D. Biomedical Scientist seeking full time employment,” and on the back, “Ask me for my resume.”
It caught the eye of Wayne Kaufman, chief market analyst for John Thomas Financial Brokerage. The exec wasn’t looking to hire, but he took Postert’s résumé anyway.
That was Oct. 22, Postert’s Day 10 as an Occupier.
The next day, Kaufman, impressed by her CV, sent her an e-mail asking if she’d like to come for an interview.
It wasn’t far — only two blocks from Zuccotti Park at 14 Wall St.
“I had been unemployed for so long, I thought why not?” said Postert, adding that she is in her 30s and has no background in finance or business.
Her last paying job was as a lab assistant at Touro College making $2,500 for the one semester she worked there, she said.
Kaufman offered her a job as a junior analyst evaluating medical companies as potential investments.
Postert said the decision to accept was painful.
But practicality won out.
The starting salary as a junior analyst is near minimum wage, but in time, she can earn a cool six figures, assured Kaufman.
Postert has now just completed her third week as a Wall Street geek.
She’s already studying for her exams to be a certified financial analyst.
“I want to get a perfect score,” she said.
Life has definitely changed for the former Occupier.
She’s in the office by 8 a.m., and she still has to get used to Kaufman’s rallying cry of “Go! Go! Go!” blaring over the speakers in the morning.
CEO Thomas Belesis said he believes Postert will be a great asset.
“She was ranting about Wall Street, and now she’s working on Wall Street. Banks are not so bad. I hope we have opened her eyes,” he said.
cynthia.fagen@nypost.com
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/occupier_gets_an_occupation_o8x0D8DkpsWB60rSMhcEgP#ixzz1fgma0s3H
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