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d-know

Trad climber

electric lady land

Dec 31, 2015 - 07:34am PT

Bring on duh chump.

Expose these authoritarian
dik sucking ball cuppers.

Gary

Social climber

Where in the hell is Major Kong?

Dec 31, 2015 - 07:36am PT

5 guys 4 of standing around watching 1 dig a ditch

Obviously you've never worked construction. It's not assembly line work.

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Dec 31, 2015 - 07:38am PT

Still waiting for the real stats guyman.

If you expect us to get on board, you gotta pay the freight.

Lorenzo... you got me... I will go and see what I can find tonight.

Didn't have any luck tracking down the real stats?

I didn't see you posted them, but maybe I missed it.

I'd hate to take the bureau of labor statistics as the only source on labor statistics.

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Dec 31, 2015 - 08:12am PT

Gary I have worked construction..

Yes I DO swing hammers and both ways..

Lorenzo lobotomy unions are on their way out.. haha..

climber

away from the ground

Dec 31, 2015 - 08:12am PT

Gary -

Gary

Social climber

Where in the hell is Major Kong?

Dec 31, 2015 - 08:14am PT

Again, it's not assembly line factory work. But y'all feel free to feel righteous.

climber

away from the ground

Dec 31, 2015 - 08:17am PT

climber

away from the ground

Dec 31, 2015 - 08:20am PT

Gary, you're right. Union construction gigs aren't assembly line. They are mafioso stand around jobs.

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Dec 31, 2015 - 08:28am PT

F those guys look like TUFF men working..

Gary my grandpa worked for Noth American Aviation. One day some chick was organizing a Union walk out.. Grandpa didn't get EMOTIONAL then stayed working for 15 cents an hour.. the next day those union thugs got let go.. GRANDPA got his salary to 75 cents an hour.. He won!

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Dec 31, 2015 - 08:30am PT

I don't know nothing about construction work and people standing around, but I can tell you about trailwork and standing around.

It's hard physical work, and if I was active every moment of the day, I would have to quit at noon because I'd be so exhausted I'd probably be dangerous.

What I do, as part of the team, is:

Unload the big boxes which holds the griphoists, cables, slings, chains, biners and other crap.

Distribute said ingredients to the places they get used. I am usually the one who uncoils the 30, 60 100 and, not infrequently, 150 foot cables in the morning and winds them back up at the end.

Crank at the griphoists

Tell the "engineers" when they are wrong in their idea as to how to set something up(this is much detested by them, but more often than not, I am correct).

Reload boxes at end of work. We have so much crap that, if the box doesn't get packed in a certain way, the stuff won't fit. Then, you have to take most of it out and start over. I am the one who knows what goes in when.

What I do NOT do:

Climb up sketchy ladders into the trees to wrap slings for the cables

Work the rockbar on stones, unless nobody else is available and the stone is of a size I can actually do something to

Chan stones to ready them for hauling

Hand maneuver/pick up rocks that are over about 200 pounds and 50 pounds, respectively

When I am gripping, the guys chaining up rocks are resting, and when they are chaining up rocks, I am resting.

Passersby have sometimes joked that I am the only one "working" when I am cranking and the others, who have just pebble wrestled in a meaningful way, are regaining their strength for the next go. I have also seen "the scornful look" of some guys, when they see I am "just standing there and watching."

We are ALL working, even when we may look like we aren't. Part of the resting section is being aware of the others, and that can be very helpful, when they are focused on one thing and may not see an impending danger. We have averted injury and potential death because someone "noticed" something about to go wrong. When everyone has their nose to the grindstone, those eyes aren't available.

Maybe it is the same in some of those "construction stand-around" situations....

climber

away from the ground

Dec 31, 2015 - 08:39am PT

Dec 31, 2015 - 08:30am PT
I don't know nothing about construction work and people standing around, but I can tell you about trailwork and standing around.

It's hard physical work, and if I was active every moment of the day, I would have to quit at noon because I'd be so exhausted I'd probably be dangerous.

There you go.
There are undoubtedly people who could be more productive constantly throughout the day than you, because of their fitness, and ability to maintain productivity constantly. But for some reason, you have the job instead of them. 'Merica!!
XOXO!! Yay!!

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Dec 31, 2015 - 09:01am PT

Are highway maintenance workers even unionized where you are? And even if they are, are you so desperate to maintain your current viewpoint that you judge people based on a 30 second vignette of watching them work?

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 31, 2015 - 09:14am PT

My older brother is a card-carrying Rush Limbaugh fan and member of the airline pilots union - he somehow manages to never see the irony...

I pretty much equally loathe most human institutions - corporations, government, military, unions, churches, etc. But, it is absolutely clear that, without unions, a large percentage of workers will be exploited to all degree possible. It just goes hand-in-hand with this notion fact:

'corporations, absent appropriate government oversight, are indistinguishable from organized crime'

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Shetville , North of Los Angeles

Dec 31, 2015 - 09:21am PT

Donald thinks that American's wages are too high..He thinks American's should work harder so that America can be strong again...Donald lives in a fantasy world if he thinks American's will work harder for less pay...

climber

away from the ground

Dec 31, 2015 - 09:23am PT

HDDJ- The first picture wasn't of a maintenance crew, it was a road widening project. It drug on for a loooong time. I watched it happening for months and months. That was a standard scene, every day. Not a single 30 second occurrence. In fact that particular project was the subject of ridicule among locals, and the local newspapers for some time. A friend of mine worked on it. He said it was the biggest waste of time he'd ever seen. XOXO!! YAY!!
Anybody have a shovel I could borrow? I need something to lean on.

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Dec 31, 2015 - 09:25am PT

Well look at the big brain on you Healy. Finally you figure out the necessity of laws to keep the human condition from devolving into the chaotic savagery from whence we so recently came. Or did we? That's debatable given our recent crop of leaders who seem to ignore laws, constitution, culture.