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Norton
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the Wastelands
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Jun 17, 2011 - 08:45pm PT
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Fet, I agree we should at least try to do something about it.
But the Chief, and seniors like him on fixed incomes, are rightfully worried that they might have to pay some kind of carbon tax. What can we do about this for him?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 17, 2011 - 08:48pm PT
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Chief the UN medium population projection has us leveling off at about 1.5 times the current population.
When the earth hits it's capacity and waves of people start dying off population growth will stop.
The growth rate has already declined.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 17, 2011 - 09:05pm PT
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yes, the world's population rate of increase has indeed decreased:
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 17, 2011 - 10:26pm PT
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Why does that not make sense? ^^^
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 17, 2011 - 10:49pm PT
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And I do care about my neighbor. I do not care for folks as yourself that insist on telling me how and in what manner I need to do that in order to conform to your opinions of how that needs to be done in order to save the planet.
How many times u gonna beat that dead strawman?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 17, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
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I'm thankful we people like The Chief who know everything and don't hesitate to share their knowledge.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 17, 2011 - 11:08pm PT
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"my society" "your society"
You planning to move back to Mongolia? Ever heard of the social contract?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 18, 2011 - 03:43am PT
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Chief be a skeptic, cite opposing views and opinions all you want. Theres nothing wrong with that.
Its when you say something like "FET, the ref to your claim that the worlds pop is in decline" that show you are either deliberately misstating what people say or are too stupid to comprehend what people are saying. And you are going to get called on that sh#t. You own it.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 18, 2011 - 10:46am PT
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Chief, I did not say the worlds population is in decline. Go back and read what I said, then what Norton said in response. Then look at my post right above how I deny I said that. I could explain it, but I think you could learn something by figuring it out on your own. I think this is part of your problem; you are either reading things into what you read or have poor reading comprehension.
And you are hypocritical because YOU won't answer direct questions, and you engage in personal attacks. So why are you playing the victim?
P.S. once you figure out what I actually wrote I'd be happy to provide a reference.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 18, 2011 - 10:48am PT
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Fact is, as CC posted, AGW is just a scam. Nothing more. A global economic/political policy making scam. Each time anyone interjects any opposing view or opinion regarding the fanaticism in regards to this ldeology, you resort to the defamatory perceptions, opinions and comments towards them.
eh Hmm, except when we resort to Facts based on scientific studies made and verified by hundreds of scientists.
Wave them off with the back of your hand The Chief. No matter what your opinion is.
Now go live your peaceful Mongol life, blissfully adapting to what the environment throws at you. You know, without doing anything to affect the environment yourself.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 18, 2011 - 10:10pm PT
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Here you go Chief,
Source: U.S. Census Bureau
http://www.worldometers.info/population/
People are less worried about climate change because the economy is in the crapper. Survival and standard of living take precedence over the future. And because big oil has hired PR firms to hoax all you folks into believing B.S. arguments. Once again there's many reasonable arguments for not doing anything to combat AGW, but you don't confine yourself to those arguments you talk about a worldwide conspiracy hoax, claim hypocrisy if anyone doesn't emit 0 carbon, and revel in your victim complex. I actually appreciate that people (like you) are worried about government overreach, but you don't keep it to that, you go off the deep on with a bunch of B.S.
No one here and no scientist said anything about 100%. That is another strawman argument.
Go through my posts to you and your posts to me. Your posts are way more demeaning. But you won't admit that because: you can't handle the truth!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 18, 2011 - 11:51pm PT
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I have a real job and no particular emotional investment in this whole argument other than intellectual curiosity.
It seems to me that the whole AGW argument is a replay of Ptolemy.
Every AGW paper that I've seen, starts by explaining the mechanism in terms that refute it to a point and then the math stops and the assumptions start.
I still haven't seen a conclusive paper that goes from the physics to AGW without a huge assumptive leap.
Maybe someone can post it?
Show the math?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 19, 2011 - 12:07am PT
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Which math doth thou need to know that weather patterns have changed oh observant employed one living is smog central area devoid of any weather patterns...?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 19, 2011 - 12:14am PT
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Chief..you seem petty but i suppose being part of the nanny stat and on the dole allows one to shoot from the hip...?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 19, 2011 - 01:10am PT
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Chief yes they revised the numbers, but they still support what I said. The growth rate has already declined. A rate that is decreasing less than they projected but is still decreasing is... decreasing. But it seems you are either not interested in reality or want to try to twist what other people say to make you feel justified in pursuing your agenda. You may fool yourself but you don't fool me. The funny thing is that statement wasn't even about AGW. It's just a simple fact I stated, but you can't even accept that.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 19, 2011 - 11:05am PT
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your claim of the decrease in rate and why that has absolutely anything to do with the fact that the worlds human population is still increasing.
Because it has big implications on when the population will stabilize.
We could explain everything to you in great detail but then you would just find something else to dispute.
It seems you don't want anyone infringing on your freedoms due to AGW. That's find, I totally get that. But it also seems that desire has clouded your thinking where you can't accept any information that has to do with AGW.
There is a whole spectrum of positions on AGW, from humans are doing nothing to change the environment so we don't need to change anything to humans are quickly changing the environment and we have to stop ALL co2 emissions or humanity will soon die. You seem to assume anyone concerned with AGW is like the latter AND they are 100% certain of it. In reality no one on the taco feels the latter (that I know of). You are either incapable of or simply don't want to see the subtleties of peoples different positions on the issue. Throughout this thread you make incorrect assumptions of other posters thoughts and lives over and over. Until you can get past that there no point trying to debate you. However anyone lurking on this thread will see how you and other deniers act and how you can't debate the true facts.
Again there is nothing wrong with being skeptical, I'm skeptical especially of the effectiveness of any governmental actions. And as mentioned this thread title is rather unfortunate. Because it goes beyond being skeptical and has moved into denial for Chief, CC, and other vehemently opposed to even the possibility of AGW. Because of that denial they can't see the fallacies in their arguments, their constant moving of the goal posts, and their refusal to accept the most probable explanations for the data we see.
It's funny that they think they are smart for not falling for some worldwide AGW conspiracy hoax, but they don't see they are being fooled by the anti AGW propaganda created by PR firms hired by people who want to keep the status quo. It's easy to find the logical holes in this argument but of course they won't see them because they don't want to.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jun 19, 2011 - 01:07pm PT
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“When Al Gore talks about Manhattan flooding this century, and 20 feet of sea level rise, that’s simply not going to happen. If it were going to happen, he wouldn’t have bought his multi-million dollar mansion along the coast in California.”
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 19, 2011 - 10:16pm PT
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ED: You are completely dancing around the question. Appears you do not want to be honest by stating a definitive yes or no.
Hey Chief, you're wasting your time trolling Ed, he's way out of your class. best stick to the others. You got them gaffed.
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Degaine
climber
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Jun 20, 2011 - 09:26am PT
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bookworm wrote:
“When Al Gore talks about Manhattan flooding this century, and 20 feet of sea level rise, that’s simply not going to happen. If it were going to happen, he wouldn’t have bought his multi-million dollar mansion along the coast in California.”
In "An Inconvenient Truth", Al Gore spoke in the conditional tense, explaining "what would happen" if the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets melted.
Honest question, have you seen the movie?
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