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ruppell
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Jun 16, 2018 - 10:30am PT
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Perhaps the solution is to leave the lakes that can achieve viable self-sustaining populations of trout for trout, and lakes that cannot for the frogs.
BG, Tom
That would have been a great compromise. The problem is that those self-sustaining fish lakes have already been gill netted and electroshocked to remove Goldens. It was a piss poor management plan with piss poor results.
The lakes that had frogs introduced have a 7% success rate. To me that does not justify continuing the program. What source did you use for that article? This is the most recent assessment done in 2014.
https://amphibiaweb.org/refs/pdfs/USFS_RAMU_CA_508_final.pdf
There's also a book called "The Plague of Frogs" by William Souder that was published in 2000. It details and tries to surmise why frog populations around the world took a major dive from 1980 to 2000. Predation is not one of the factors mentioned.
I'm in no way against conservation or frogs. I am against continuing programs that don't work and take out viable self-sustaining populations of Goldens to continue that work.
There's lakes I fished for years. Lakes that had no stocking. Lakes that are way up high and hard to get to. Lakes that had Goldens that most fisherman dream of. Some of those lakes are still going strong. A lot have been reduced to fishless to help the frogs. There's not many of frogs in those lakes currently.
Where the frogs are doing well I think that's a good thing. Maybe we need to focus more on why the range is so limited compared to what it was pre-1980. Maybe that focus will lead to a better understanding of how to help bring them back into self-sustaining levels in more of there historic range.
One thing I do know is that the Goldens and frogs where able to live in the same ecosytem for years. To think, all of the sudden, predation became the cause of the frogs decline is short sighted and not logical.
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ruppell
climber
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Jun 17, 2018 - 05:48pm PT
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Tom
I headed up to Laurel today. Not a single fish to be seen. They where down deep and not feeding at all. It's one of those lakes that's either game on or game over. Today was game over. It's still a damn pretty lake though.
Yesterday I hit up Hidden Lake. Also a very nice spot. The fishing here is almost always good.
Here's what lies hidden in Hidden Lake.
Hope all you guys had a good weekend.
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BG
Trad climber
JTree & Idyllwild
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Jun 17, 2018 - 10:24pm PT
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Nice Golden Ruppell!
I had a memorable afternoon Saturday at Crowley, float tubing Green Banks. Caught a few hard-fighting and leaping rainbows, a bunch of sacramento perch, and this nice hook-jawed brown.
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Stimbo
Trad climber
Crowley Lake
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Jun 18, 2018 - 10:40am PT
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Yes, the weekend and Father's Day was good.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jun 18, 2018 - 10:53am PT
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Nice fishin' out there boys......and Bob, you are making everybody else's post catch photos look bad with those underwater shots of yours! Keep them coming. Are you using a go-pro on those?
Scott
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BG
Trad climber
JTree & Idyllwild
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Jun 18, 2018 - 08:55pm PT
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Hi Scott,
I'm using a Nikon AW100 16 mp waterproof camera that also shoots 1080p HD video.
Underwater shots can be tough. The key to a good shot is clear water, sunlight, and taking a lot of shots to get a good one. Plus my wife Yvonne is a great photographer.
Stimbo, Nice Golden!
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Jun 19, 2018 - 07:15am PT
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We've hit Crowley, Ruby, and McGee Creek. Headed up to Long Lake today. I've yet to catch a brown there, but they say they are in there.
Ruby Lake was no good-little brookies, Crowley was awesome- browns, rainbows and perch. I don't know what I am doing at McGee Creek- nothing there for us.
Hidden Lake is out for me- the 4runner is toast, needs a new engine which really means that it needs money,
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jun 19, 2018 - 08:24am PT
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Ruppell..... That golden .... posted above. Did a shark take a bite as you were landing it??????
Had a good time fishing with G_Gome on the east side. One morning we walked out to a crooked little creek, the hoppers were going off. Choosing a dry fly was no problem.
I got this one right off, then a few more in quick succession...all even larger, but the phone was down to 2% so I turned it off.
As soon as I start to pat myself on the back cause I can dry fly hoppers during a feeding frenzy.... Gome catches a BOW that will not fit into his net!!!!!!!!
Question for all of you knowledgeable Dry Flyers .....
The trout were hitting the surface and gobbling the hoppers at a mad clip. Then it all died, suddenly at about 11am, hoppers were still falling into the water and swimming around but none were being eaten. Were they full?
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ruppell
climber
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Jun 19, 2018 - 06:09pm PT
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Hidden Lake is out for me- the 4runner is toast, needs a new engine which really means that it needs money,
tom
That sucks. I'm going to go a little OT here but what year 4Runner? I'm currently getting ready to put dual cases in my 97. The one thing I need to source is a chain drive j-shift transfer case from a 1st gen Tacoma or 3rd gen 4Runner. You happen to know anyone in town that might have one?
Ruppell..... That golden .... posted above. Did a shark take a bite as you were landing it??????
guyman
LOL. I almost didn't post that shot because it makes me look like a noob who doesn't know how to handle fish. A had my cell phone in one hand and the rod in the other. I got him nice and calm. He was sitting in the water below that rock. As I was about to snap the shot he goes airborne and lands on the damn rock. I got that photo and hurried him back into H20. Then I released him unharmed. Except for some rock burn I'm sure.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Jun 19, 2018 - 08:08pm PT
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nice trip to Great Inagua a little while ago. Big bones, almost got a permit, enormous barracuda that were basically impossible to bring to hand with a 9 weight.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Jun 19, 2018 - 08:55pm PT
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Ruppel- my 4runner is a 97. I'm leaning toward scrapping it, rather than a new engine since the clutch was starting to show sings of wearing out.
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Stimbo
Trad climber
Crowley Lake
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Jun 19, 2018 - 09:02pm PT
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Nice fish gentlemen! Maybe this autumn we should try to gather the tribe for a fish-a-thon somewhere. This guy was from this afternoon, a beaut!
Enjoy,
jim
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jun 19, 2018 - 09:23pm PT
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Thank you all, for your fine & entertaining fish stories & photos!
Hopefully this photo will amuse other folks here who have "foul-hooked" a trout.
When I was at my best, fishing in an area where most of the trout had been caught & released, some "false rises," when a somewhat wary trout comes up to & bumps my fly, without taking it, result in a light strike on my part.
It wasn't uncommon in my past, to have my strike "foul-hook" the trout, as its rise took it past my fly, as it turned & dived.
They fight really hard too, when you catch them "up the butt."
This photo of an 14" Idaho Cut, dates to summer 2008.
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ruppell
climber
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Jun 19, 2018 - 09:38pm PT
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tom
Your kidding me. Is it a V6? If it is get a hold of me if your serious about scrapping it. m a t t r u p p e l l @ g m a i l .com
Remove the spaces and that's my email.
How long ago did the motor go?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 19, 2018 - 10:55pm PT
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hey there, say, BG ... wow, those are great! fish pics!!!
really nice! thanks for sharing...
nice stuff here...
had not had a chance to come here, to this thread...
for years... (i think i did once, :)) though) ...
just been busy... :))
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BG
Trad climber
JTree & Idyllwild
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Jun 20, 2018 - 12:28am PT
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Thanks Neebe!
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Jun 20, 2018 - 09:32am PT
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I routinely foul hook fish. I think two weekends ago with Guyzo I foul hooked 3 fish in one day at Hot Creek. But then I have never had so many refusals in one day and yet still caught a huge number of fish. It was most odd, the trout were so picky but so hungry that you could eventually get them to eat something.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jun 27, 2018 - 02:56pm PT
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Heading over with my daughter (who flies in from college in Alabama tonight) and two of my boys to fish Hot Creek this weekend. Have never been on that stretch of water and am looking forward to sleeping under the stars and among the fragrant sage and waking up with a pot of cowboy coffee on the bed of my truck. Gonna be good for the soul.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Oh the madness- keeps pulling you back.
G-Gome and I are talking a road trip.... up North to Montana and beyond.
I will show Brad Pitt how it’s really done.
Ordered up some waders, about time I stopped fishing in street pants.
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