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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2010 - 09:32am PT
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My prediction for today's NASA announcement:
It will have to do with the possibility of microbial life on mars.
All the evidences for possible microbial cryptoendolithic life on Mars are stacking up. I have made lists of this exhaustive evidence before. There is mucho.
Wouldn't the announcement be a great cover to get away from all the bad news of the Wikileaks (leaks) and the massive embarrassment that corrupt public servants within our government are feeling?
"Hey, look over here!! Wow! Cool. Life on Mars! Looky! Looky!
Ignore the embarrassed man behind the curtain hiding please."
By the way, definitive proof of microbial life of anykind on Mars would be solid empirical proof of Aliens. Maybe not of the intellectual kind, but it would be Alien no doubt.
So there. We'll see.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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It's about the discovery in Mono of a bacterial strain that exists in an environment largely consisting of arsenic and very little phosphorus - doesn't seem like such a big deal but it is.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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It's about the discovery in Mono of a bacterial strain that exists in an environment largely consisting of arsenic and very little phosphorus - doesn't seem like such a big deal but it is. Hey, in terms of life in hostile environments, that's nothing much. Just look at all the whackjob conspiracy nuts, neocons, and religious idiots who manage to survive on SuperTopo.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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haha--NASA's sucker punch.
they've got a germ in mono lake that they can feed a lot of arsenic to and "very little phosphorus".
checking the periodic table of elements, guess which mineral is right below phosphorus in the same column, indicating similar combinant properties?
they seem to open the possibility, in one of their reports, that this may actually have evolved over the past 50 years with the diversion of fresh water from mono lake and the subsequent concentration of desert minerals.
taking this two-year-old news and making a public relations fart out of it?
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14537-arseniceating-bacteria-rewrite-evolutionary-history.html
and you guys think klimmer is bad.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2010 - 06:38pm PT
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Tony,
Great find. These Arsenic eating bacteria from Mono Lake is a discovery and published in a journal over two years ago!
Why all the hype now? What is going on? Perhaps it w s just to try to pull some attention from Wikileaks.
Weird.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jeezus F*#king Christ, of all the nutiness...
Yes, I'm sure the Illuminati concocted the timing to divert attention from Wikileaks (Public sez, "who cares?") to strange bacteria in Mono lake(Public sez, "who cares?" again!).
To you everything is a complex conspiracy by the bogeyman, isn't it?
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WBraun
climber
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You're starting to lose it Dirtbag.
LOL
Don't lose your cool over any of this stuff, it's definitely not worth it.
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dirtbag
climber
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OK, ok, you're absolutely right. Thanks for the reminder.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Tony,
Great find. These Arsenic eating bacteria from Mono Lake is a discovery and published in a journal over two years ago!
Why all the hype now? What is going on? Perhaps it w s just to try to pull some attention from Wikileaks.
Weird.
What they released at the news conference and what was published two years ago is not the same thing--they both have to do with biological utilization of arsenic by bacteria, but other than that it's apples and oranges. The discovery two years ago was that a bacterium used arsenic in place of H2O in a particular stage of photosynthesis. The new discovery is a bacterium that can use arsenic in place of phosphorus (including in its DNA). This is huge, and not a rehash of what is in the link Tony posted from two years ago.
Klimmer, if you are really a science teacher, it's weird that you fail t realize that. Tony admits to not being mathematically or scientifically literate-woodwork and folklore are more his thing. But anyone with a science background should have realized at once that it is a new discovery and that it is very significant.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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so we got two bacto's subbing arsenic for phosphorus, one in a lab, one in the bottom of mono lake? they did it in the lab in a couple years, the bacto's did it on their own in 50? still huge?
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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You missed the DNA part, Tony.
And we were told by the cdroids that wikileaks was a diversion from the missile. Now they say the arsenic story is a diversion from wikileaks. Focus boyz, focus.
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jsavage
climber
Bishop, CA
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I was hoping the Massive Ark photoshopped in Mono Lake.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I wonder if Klimmer's ark would float in Mono Lake?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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arsenic subs for phosphorus in arsenic-rich environment. (wake up, dirtbag, this is exciting!)
bacterium beats old lace.
ET is an elderberry wino.
sorry, granite--the influence of folklore.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2010 - 09:49pm PT
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GC,
I will admit that I did not read the article published 2 years ago. I just saw the link posted by Tony, clicked on it and took a very quick look.
OK, yes I do realize they are different discoveries now. Thank you. I do realize that the latest discovery as explained by Mary is very significant.
However, it was indeed discovered that it could use Arsenic in place of Phosphorus in a lab. Significant yes, but not found in nature to have done so. Possibly yes in the past? Or possibly in the future? But not affirmed. Proves Life can truly evolve, and adapt and do it fast. Life can hang-in by a thread, especially extremophile life forms.
I was hoping for verification of Alien cryptoendolithic microbial life forms from Mars.
It's coming. Too much evidence is pointing that way. Dr. Levin's 1976 Viking 2, Controlled Release experiment that was very well designed, and very accurate was positive for the metabolism for life. Then they cooked the soil and then nothing. The follow-up experiment that was negative, was a very flawed experiment.
Life is on Mars. Life was on Mars. Past Oceans. Minerals and rocks formed in the presence of H2O. Current H2O in ice form, even glacial ice buried under the sands of Mars, and even in H2O droplet form at times. Temperate temperatures at times in Mars summer (70+F). Low pressure CO2 rich atmosphere. Erosion events. Weather events. Massive methane releases into Mars atmosphere in the warm season in several regions on Mars. Fossil nano-magnetite bio-morph crystals found within ALH84001 meteorite. The latest Dr. McKay, NASA study has pretty much confirmed the only way these could have been formed are by life. They invalidated non-living means of formation for these nanocrystals leaving really only formation by life.
It is only a matter of time. We will positively find it on Mars. (I think we have already, but NASA is just holding back).
The idea that they did this announcement to distract from wikileaks was not a serious comment. I suppose I should have placed a LOL or (sarcasm) tag. Sometimes I am not serious. Really I mean it. C'mon really truly I mean it. C'mon really . . .
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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mars has lots of water
perhaps more than earth
near the surface at the poles
not so deep even at the equator
ice covered with red dust
as you go deeper it gets warmer
perhaps large underground oceans
it breaks out in occasional flash floods that we have seen from canyon walls
we find life forms in such places deep in the earth
how odd is it to live on the outer surface of spaceship earth?
do you usually sit on the roof of your house or ride on the hood of your car or out on the wing of an airplane?
yeah, i too like the sunshine as an energy source and prefer rock climbing to spelunking
but living inside the planet using geothermal heat source may be the more common paradigm
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