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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Can't we all just agree that the important thing here is that Beyonce dressed her dancers up as Black Panthers at the SuperBowl?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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39 posts left... Prizes are available.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Dingus makes a good point. If the Occupy Wall Street crowd had gone in armed, they'd still be there.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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I recently moved to Texas and the USA in general, I'm admittedly new to Country but I find it very relate-able, the ideas of freedom, independence and the spirit of rebellion against oppression, and the joy of wandering the wide windswept lands are beautifully portrayed. It's saddening to see the genre diminishing to whiskey-pining ballads, understandably because the originals are wary and some pander to keep it alive, but I wish patrons imbued an attitude of inclusion because outsiders like us, can empathize, contrary to popular belief. In this song I like to think the Highwaymen wanted to portray the embodiment of the American spirit that was within folks of that time, from Johnny's coach guard, Waylon's shark, Willie's farmer and Kris' native who toiled in that era, thinking about their place in this land. -anonymousDas
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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So you are in support of the Federal Government buying land, but opposed to them selling land (or giving it away which for the record I wouldn't support either)?
Not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to understand the dichotomy of the position.
You would be inspired to act out against hte government if they started selling land to states or citizens?
(For the record, this happens all the time but I'm willing to play along like it doesn't in order to understand your position)
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Escopeta posted You would be inspired to act out against hte government if they started selling land to states or citizens?
Define "acting out." In the context of this thread that means "taking up arms against a bird sanctuary visitor center."
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franky
Trad climber
Black Hills, SD
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where is it happening? my militia is ready to go!
Geeze dude, do you want me to right a position paper on federal government land ownership?
Yes, generally I'm opposed to the federal government selling land. I wouldn't choose to forbid them to do it as long as it was a public process that took into account all current and future resources on the land they planned to sell. I'm pretty fine with well-vetted land swaps and sales to state or local governments for specific purposes like building schools or other public infrastructure, or even for state parks or various other rec areas if they have a good plan to keep the land available to the public and not exploit it.
Your apparent attempt to make my position black and white is an unproductive discussion method.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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For christ sake. All I did was ask a question and purposefully said I WASN'T trying to tell you what I think you meant to say.
Appreciate you expounding on your position.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Escopeta, they're too smart to get caught out answering a straight forward question.
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franky
Trad climber
Black Hills, SD
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Ha, my final sentence was in reference to your final sentence. Seems like the last sentence of a post is generally reserved for some attempt at a gratuitous verbal shot.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Make sure you get the last one!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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I just find it interesting to see where different people draw the line.
To quote an old acquaintance of mine "How do you spot the precise point where a society is standing at the back of the van and the State has the handcuffs out?"
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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It doesn't matter so long as you can perpetuate the fallacy of "state" and "society" as being distinct entities, preferably where the state is personified as something scary.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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"I don't care about your opinion unless you threaten to kill me about it."
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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you don't know where anybody really "draws the line", this is the internet
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Does that mean the Walmarts being used for processing conservative white people can start selling cheap garbage again?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Did the Occupiers have the right to occupy the peoples' parks for months on end.
I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that in fact they did have a right to take over the park in an act of what's called civil disobedience. I suppose that somewhere they crossed a legal limit, and hence they were forcibly moved out. But the fact is, Occupy Wall Street was a "peaceful" protest.
They had no guns, it was not an armed take-over, and I believe that make a huge difference. Now imagine if they did brandish weapons.
(Ha, re-reading what Gary said above--yeah, they'd probably still be there!)
If the militia went in and did a sit-in, without arms, who knows what would have ensued. But I doubt it would have garnished the MSM attention that adding arms to the mix did.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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So, the unarmed people had the right to take over the the parks but the fact that the yeehawdists had guns so that made it not right?
I'm not sure I understand the distinction since the people that they were opposing in both cases, most certainly were armed.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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The Occupy BS people came saying their intent was to stop the Hammonds from going to prison. When the Hammonds said "We're going to serve our sentences," they didn't leave.
They said they were prepared to stay as long as necessary, yet asked for donations of food before the day was out.
Then they said "If the people of this county don't want us here, then we'll leave," but when they residents said they dd NOT want them there, they didn't leave.
Then they started videotaping very stupid acts, like the fence removal.
If the Occupy Wall Street activists were broadcasting idiocy, you can be assured they would have received similar derision that the Occupy Bird Sanctuary did.
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