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Brandon-
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The Granite State.
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Nov 29, 2011 - 07:34pm PT
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Thanks, just goofing anyway.
Be well.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Nov 29, 2011 - 07:42pm PT
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OWS is finished, the last camps will soon be dismantled. The dinosaur has spoken
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Brandon-
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The Granite State.
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Nov 29, 2011 - 07:50pm PT
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3365 posts to this thread and some still don't understand the right to free speech and peaceful assembly.
There will always be the stupid few who cause trouble, but in all it seems as if the occupiers kept their sh#t together and played nice.
What's not to like about people speaking their minds? Maybe it undermines some people's sense of superiority?
Agree or disagree, they should be applauded for speaking their minds without bringing guns to do so.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 29, 2011 - 07:50pm PT
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maybe fattrad inhaled too much pepper spray when he was a tool?
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Nov 29, 2011 - 08:02pm PT
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OWS partners up with the Soylent Green Corporation.
A good business plan? We'll see.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 29, 2011 - 08:04pm PT
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Crag,
Civil Disobedience should be respected. Violence should not.
It sounds like a cliche within a cliche, but the minority of protesters are there to stir up trouble and the majority are there for genuine reasons.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Nov 29, 2011 - 08:08pm PT
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you wise up cragman. when the people are left with no recourse when banks ruin our lives, what other option remain? cynics and critics like you allow the corrupt status quo to continue.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 29, 2011 - 08:08pm PT
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Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on that.
Wait, might that ethic be a helpful one?
Hope you're well.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 29, 2011 - 08:17pm PT
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How do they rationalize costing hard-pressed municipalities over $30 million?
Last I checked not too many municipalities had much to do with Wall Street.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 29, 2011 - 08:25pm PT
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How about this version:
Through a series of political machinations, a night at Camp 4 goes from $5 to $50 over the course of a few years. People wishing a spot still have to get in line for a first-come, first-served spot. But exceptions to the rules have been made....A section of Camp 4 is bull-dozed and turned into a Mini-Awahnee type hotel, where those with connections to certain park employees may stay at very reasonable rates($5o for a night in Camp 4!)
The hotel types don't like the idea that there are tent-people playing hackysack outside their windows at 9:59pm and do what they can to restrict that sort of thing. Fines higher than a BoA overdraft fee are handed out(and taken from the banlk accounts automatically, as the tenters had to post a CC to get their spot). Add a bunch more BS....
THEN the Camp 4 tent people set up in El Cap Meadow to protest.
That's more close an analogy than what you posted CM.
And makr MY word OWS will not be remembered as you believe, unless the crackdown comes to Marchall Law and history is revised.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 29, 2011 - 08:59pm PT
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Lovegas,
Since many of said munis are run by the Democrats, well known for police-state
excesses, I can only assume the good burgers deemed the trash pickup, police
investigations of crimes committed, and sundry other nonsensical expenses
somewhat justified. Perhaps the OWS crowd should concern themselves with
big government overspending?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 29, 2011 - 09:31pm PT
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As a knowledgeable Dutch observer said about the Greek financial mess, in particular false financial statements published by its conservative government until 2009: "In our country, people would go to jail for this".
So who's going to jail in the US for the corporate frauds that threatened the world in 2008, aided and abetted by government malfeasance and incompetence?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2011 - 09:38pm PT
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Look, we can all agree the financial system is broken. However, you do not effect change by defying posted laws and authorities tasked with upholding those laws.
All that is being created is anarchy, and no society will tolerate that.
OWS in it's present form is just a suck on all of us taxpayers, and ALL will suffer the consequences of this movement that has no leadership.
Yes you Do effect change that way! Tell it to Gandhi and MLKing. The Vietnam war might have claimed tens of thousands More americans if there had been no protest.
And I'd say the pressure is already saving americans money. I wouldn't be surprised if the following events weren't influenced by the spotlight on elite money power
A judge on Monday used unusually harsh language to strike down a $285 million settlement between Citigroup and the Securities and Exchange Commission over toxic mortgage securities, saying he couldn’t tell whether the deal was fair and criticizing regulators for shielding the public from details of the firm’s wrongdoing.
http://www.ajc.com/business/citi-plan-to-settle-1244202.html
Democrat Calls for Hearing on 'Secret' Bank Loans from Federal Reserve
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/11/28-4
Rep. Deutch Introduces OCCUPIED Constitutional Amendment To Ban Corporate Money In Politics
http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/11/18/372361/rep-deutch-introduces-occupied-constitutional-amendment-to-ban-corporate-money-in-politics/
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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Nov 29, 2011 - 10:59pm PT
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gf, your premise is that two wrongs make a right?
It seems the OWS mantra is, "You f*ed us, we're gonna f* you!"
So pathetic.
Wrong.
Classic misunderstanding between retributive justice and restorative justice. OWS is looking for restorative. If they were looking for retributive, violence would have broken out by OWS.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 29, 2011 - 11:33pm PT
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2011 - 11:35pm PT
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The Tea party Movement, however misguided many of us felt it was/is, brought out a base which swayed the last election.
No matter what you think of OWS, get ready for it to do the same for the next one
Peace
Karl
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Nov 29, 2011 - 11:37pm PT
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The anger on the street is growing at the corporate shills that run the government. The grass roots is Occupy. It's gonna grow and grow.
Here's some nice myth busting from MoveOn:
MYTH #1: The congressional Super Committee failed because both sides refused to compromise.
REALITY: It failed because the Republicans in Congress, following the Party Line, now refuse ANY compromise on ANY issue offered by the Democrats.
Reaganist Republicanism has become a rigid ideology, as Stalinism was.
To be a Republican politician now, you must be, literally, politically correct.
If you don’t correctly parrot the Party Line, you will be exiled to (shudder!) Liberal Siberia.
MYTH #2: Nobody knows what Occupy Wall Street is about.
REALITY: Everybody knows what Occupy Wall Street is about.
But some people are so frightened by the trouble our country is in that they’re in denial about it. The goals of the Occupy Movement make these people morally uncomfortable, threatening their complacency — and so they deny that it has any goals at all.
MYTH #3: Occupiers should stop protesting and just get a job.
REALITY... And the American children who go to bed hungry every night should stop whining and just go buy a supersized burger with fries at MacDonalds, and the homeless should get off the streets and move into a nice house, and the old retired people who are losing medical insurance should ah, umm, well, they should just shut up and get a job. Or die. Or something.
MYTH #4: Occupy Wall Street is intent on provoking violence, especially against banks and the police.
REALITY: A few people have used the Occupy movement as a front for their antisocial behavior, just as a few people have used Republican hatred of Obama as a front for their psychopathy.
The Occupy movement, facing a violent police force in several cities, has so far remained nonviolent. If they can hang on to their nonviolence, they will have made a moral statement comparable to that of Gandhi, or the Freedom Riders, or the young people of Tiananmen Square.
MYTH #5: The biggest crisis facing our country is out-of-control government spending.
REALITY: Our crisis is a loss of active citizenship — a weakening of confidence in democratic ideals and principles. This loss, this weakening, is directly aggravated by Reaganist ideology and propaganda.
Reaganism, seeing extreme inequity as the engine of capitalism, says that the poor should be taxed heavily, the rich more lightly, and the very rich should not have to pay taxes at all. Democracy seeks to share the cost of maintaining government (taxation) equitably, each contributing according to income.
Reaganism says that the government is the enemy. Democracy is the idea that the people are the government.
So, are we our own enemy?
Pogo, thou shouldst be living at this hour.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 30, 2011 - 01:08am PT
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Hey !!!!!
I just hit genius level!
All OWS should take a dumb at wall trading center in the morning before the bankers go to work.
They'll have to step in sh'it or go home?
What genius I am ......
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