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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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May 27, 2012 - 10:05am PT
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Why do they insist on calling this the "second" worst nuclear disaster? It is not even close to contained yet. It is an ongoing disaster which continues to leak radiation into the environment.
But don't worry the EPA is watching out for us:
The EPA maintains a set of so-called "Protective Action Guides" (PAGs). These PAGs are being quickly revised to radically increase the allowable levels of iodine-131 (a radioactive isotope) to anywhere from 3,000 to 100,000 times the currently allowable levels.
The group Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) is all over this issue, having obtained internal emails from a FOIA requests that reveal some truly shocking revelations of the level of back-stabbing betrayal happening inside the EPA. For example, under the newly-revised PAGs, drinking just one glass of water considered "safe" by the EPA could subject you to the lifetime limit of radiation. ( http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=1325);
"In addition," PEER goes on to say, "it would allow long-term cleanup limits thousands of times more lax than anything EPA has ever before accepted. These new limits would cause a cancer in as much as every fourth person exposed."
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031963_radiation_exposure.html#ixzz1w4v5RMYm[/quote]
The canadian government is looking out for us, too! What you don't know can't hurt you, right?
Ah, the fascination of watching this tragic comedy of errors unfold in the U.S. government almost cannot be exceeded. But Canada is sure trying. Its own nuclear monitoring network has simply been shut off, and its website now reads "Please note that as of March 25, 2011, the frequency of data collection by NRCan using the mobile surveys has been decreased due to the low levels of radiation being detected."
Seriously, see the bottom of the page: http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/ed-ud/respond/nuclea/_data/nrcan-rncan-e...
Yep, since they're detecting low levels of radiation, this is apparently justification for turning off the monitors altogether, which of course is the kind of brilliant early warning plan that could have only been dreamed up by a brain-dead bureaucrat. It's as if these morons are sitting around a table having a conversation that goes something like this:
Bureaucratic Moron #1: Remember how we spent a hundred million dollars installing a national network of radiation detectors?
Bureaucratic Moron #2: Yeah.
Bureaucratic Moron #1: And remember how we started to detect some of the radioactive fallout from Fukushima as it began raining down upon Canada?
Bureaucratic Moron #2: Yeah.
Bureaucratic Moron #1: Well, I have a great idea. Let's turn OFF all the detectors so that we stop detecting radiation!
Bureaucratic Moron #2: That's brilliant! You're a genius!
Bureaucratic Moron #1: I know I am. And we wouldn't want to waste this expensive equipment, you know.
Bureaucratic Moron #2: Right, we want to save it for a scenario when we might really need it, eh?
Bureaucratic Moron #1: Exactly! And we'll save millions of dollars in operating fees, because the best way to save money on radiation detectors is to not use them.
Bureaucratic Moron #2: You're a genius! You should run for Prime Minister!
Link: http://www.naturalnews.com/031963_radiation_exposure.html
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 27, 2012 - 10:46am PT
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PACs
PAGs
"Letters, we get letters, we get stacks and stacks of letters," from our governments.
All to spell out their BS.
Eff em.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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May 27, 2012 - 11:31am PT
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Talks in progress with Russia to develop plans for evacuating 30 million people from Tokyo to the Kuril Islands. "Worst case scenario" they call it. Like if Fuku #4 building - with its 1000 plus spent (and not so spent) rods stored in a leaking tank on the third floor of a damaged building - finally collapses.
Info all over the alternative press - but largely ignored by the corporate media. Your mileage may very.
here is one report
http://tinyurl.com/73nwank
do tin foil hats work for radiation?
I am only hoping Klimmer's ark will fly in at the last minute and save us all from our own stupidity and greed.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 27, 2012 - 11:47am PT
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I can't decide if this NHK report is good or bad? Sounds bad to me.
That is why I brought up the subject of Thorium reactors in the thread to Ed,
There HAS to be a better way.
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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May 27, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
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F*#king YIKES!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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May 27, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
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Thanks everyone for the updates. Not good news at all.
That video is very sobering.
Mankind is our own worst enemy. We brought this on ourselves. We are so belligerent and stubborn.
We could have developed clean renewable energy resources like using our Sun, doing fusion safely 93 million miles away. But no. You can't put a meter on the Sun and make outlandish and unbelievably immoral profits. The elite wouldn't have the corruptable power they have today. That just wouldn't do. They wouldn't be able to keep their totaliterian boot firmly planted over the throat of mankind.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 28, 2012 - 11:05pm PT
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Damn, I fish and spend time in the ocean as many times a week as time permits. I will keep an eye out for deformed fish...but, in the mean time, this new/old news won't slow me down. It could become a very serious matter though. Thanks for sharing with us Studly. I have been following this on an almost daily basis on another site and it doesn't look good according to them...dire in fact!!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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May 28, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
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Bluefin tuna from Fukushima that swam to California have been found with 10
times the normal amount of radiation compared to eastern Pacific tuna. It's
figured they were only exposed for a month before they made their migration.
Soon other tuna will show up who wer exposed for many months.
However, some good news may come of this in that it may cause people to
stop fishing for them for awhile and give their stocks time to recover.
http://news.yahoo.com/radioactive-bluefin-tuna-crossed-pacific-us-190121826.html
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hashbro
Trad climber
Mental Physics........
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May 29, 2012 - 01:56am PT
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The Fukushima radiation will no doubt (an addition to other sources) bioaccumulate throughout the ocean and then the terrestrial food chain, causing unknown mutations, cancers and hopefully human (and unfortunately wildlife) dieback.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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May 29, 2012 - 04:20am PT
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Jan,
Wow, that is scary(bluefin tuna)! We get the yellow fin tuna running here in SoCal primarily...but that doesn't mean they will be a whole lot safer sometime down the line. They do have yellow fin in Japan, not sure if they also migrate this way. I mainly hook(if i'm lucky)halibut, yellow fin, bonita, barracuda, rockfish and an occasional sand shark, etc. along with mackrel and squid that i use for bait(squid can be fairly tasty if prepared right, though)! I don't believe any of those migrate in large schools via Japan, but i could be wrong and will have to look into the total picture. Thanks for sharing!!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 29, 2012 - 06:21am PT
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There's about to be a shitload of Pacific tuna labeled 'Atlantic tuna'...
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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May 29, 2012 - 11:15am PT
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Smartphone with radiation detector announced
For consumers worried about nuclear hotspots after the Fukushima crisis, a personal Geiger counter could soon be as close as your cell phone. Major Japanese phone carrier Softbank is releasing a smartphone this summer with a built-in radiation detector.
The company says a simple touch of the screen lets users measure the radiation around them in about 2 minutes.
Users will be able to save the readings and also keep track of location data.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120529_36.html
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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May 29, 2012 - 05:29pm PT
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Urgent Requests for UN Intervention with Fukushima.
On May 1, 2012, nuclear experts and former diplomats issued an “Urgent Request” for UN intervention to stabilize the Fukushima nuclear power plant Unit 4's highly radioactive spent fuel contained in water about 100 feet above the nuclear reactor. U. S. Senator Roy Wyden (Oregon-D) visited Fukushima on April 6, 2012, and issued an April 16, press release describing Unit 4 as a “catastrophic risk.” As of May 2, Japan's Health Ministry reported that radioactive Cesium-137 has been “detected in 51 food products from nine prefectures in excess of a new government-set limit introduced April 1.” [ See Fukushima Update.]
“Nearly all of the 10,893 spent fuel assemblies at the Fukushima Daiichi
nuclear power plant sit in pools of water vulnerable to future earthquakes,
with roughly 85 times more long-lived Cesium-137 radioactivity
than released in the Chernobyl disaster.”
 Excerpt from May 1, 2012, urgent requests sent to
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and Japan Prime Minister Noda
Japan is now burning combined radioactive and non-radioactive
debris through 2012 to 2014. What are the implications for increased
radiation in soil, water, plants and food supplies? Nuclear engineer
Arnie Gundersen recently gathered his own soil samples in Tokyo
and reports the soil samples would be considered nuclear
waste in the U. S
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Jun 14, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
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The crisis in Japan has been described as "a nuclear war without a war". In the words of renowned novelist Haruki Murakami:
"This time no one dropped a bomb on us ... We set the stage, we committed the crime with our own hands, we are destroying our own lands, and we are destroying our own lives."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28870
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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so we have over a year of radioactive materials raining down on NW US forests, and now we have major forest fires burning all around northern California, filling the air with smoke
wondering about the radioactive content of that smoke
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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It is ironic about wind patterns. That I can live in Okinawa a couple thousand miles away and have no worries about radiation yet in America, 8,000 miles away, you are getting all the radiation remnants and the tsunami debris thanks to winds and ocean currents determined by the spin of the earth.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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so we have over a year of radioactive materials raining down on NW US forests, and now we have major forest fires burning all around northern California, filling the air with smoke
Overall radiation deposition in Oregon is being monitored pretty closely on an ongoing basis by USGS, state, and PDX agencies as well as some private groups and labs. So far, in milk from NW dairy cows, the fukushima-sourced levels haven't come close to the typical levels of the radiation from the potassium noramlly in the milk. I think most folks in the PNW are concerned about the ongoing accumulation of Fukushima radiation, but as radiation risks go here in the PDX it somewhat pales in comparison to the very real risks of aging Hanford storage tanks contaminating the Columbia River. Regardless, between Hanford issues and the number of 'downwinders' up this way there is no shortage of folks paying attention to the issue here locally.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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people i know in alaska tell me that the local fish are checked with geiger counters. they don't rely on the state to do it for them, they do it themselves. so far, so good, i guess, but i've also heard that a common geiger counter will only pick up on a portion of the harmful radiation produced by the fukushima event. anyone know about that?
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