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Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
May 8, 2018 - 05:11pm PT
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healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 8, 2018 - 05:23pm PT
Onions, garlic, mushrooms are foods in the mode of passion and ignorance which will check one's spiritual advancement.

Seriously? After all the 'transcend materialism' talk the belief is that material onions, garlic, and mushrooms are possessed of transferrable karma because they'll grow in manure and that can affect one's spiritual advancement?

Well sure, when people were ignorant of facts that might even have made sense in a precautionary way. But today that's just ignorant if not plain stupid.
WBraun

climber
May 8, 2018 - 06:23pm PT
healyje "... belief is that material onions, garlic, and mushrooms are possessed of transferrable karma because they'll grow in manure ... "


I never said nor implied any such st00pid nonsense you just made up.

Proves once again you are so full of sh!t as usual.

It's one of the real reasons I post here to show how moronic some of you really are and actually try to pass off your very own made up horsesh!t projected onto others.

Real scientific coming from your runaway out of control mind as usual Joe, you failed miserably as you still are a clueless fool to what has actually been said about the three modes.

And you have the gall to call yourself a scientist, useless fool is far better description of yourself ......
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 8, 2018 - 06:27pm PT
Onions, garlic, mushrooms are foods in the mode of passion and ignorance which will check one's spiritual advancement.
WBraun

climber
May 8, 2018 - 06:32pm PT
That statement is True.

Has nothing to do with growing in cow manure you idiot.

You made that horsesh!t up yourself.

You don't have a clue what my original statement actually means.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
May 8, 2018 - 07:08pm PT
Onions, garlic, mushrooms are foods in the mode of passion and ignorance which will check one's spiritual advancement.

It's called "grounding" with the new-age crowd. Spiritual advancement can be unbalancing for some. Whatever works at the time.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
May 8, 2018 - 08:55pm PT
You guys . . . .

You don’t have (apparently) any experience or knowledge in spiritual matters or awareness, yet you try to pick apart a spiritual notion to disprove it.

Anyone can make fun of anything. It’s just making fun. It has little to do with the topic.

All comedians are cynics at heart.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 8, 2018 - 08:56pm PT
You will often hear the reason, mostly from the modern cyber Pundits that garlic and onion are forbidden for Brahmins because they are “Rajasic food”, or food that “does not promote spiritual quality of Brahmin caste”.

But actually, the original reason is far away from this later “reasoning” by the newer scriptures and Pandits.

Onions and garlic, leeks and mushrooms, all were grouped together as “things that grow on impure lands, without agriculture”. [1] In the olden days, onions garlic, mushrooms and leeks were never cultivated in Aryan lands on a proper agricultural basis, most often they sprung up themselves from excreta. Similarly are the village pig and village cock. (both are likely to feed on human excreta for growth, since they are not “cultured” )

Manu smṛti is the first document that explicitly states this reason and prohibits all the above. Similar mentions are found in the contemporaneous Mahabharata. And eating these plants that grow by themselves in excreta was looked down up on than eating meat. And it is the case observed in all the traditional Hindu scriptures.
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
May 8, 2018 - 09:07pm PT
All comedians are cynics at heart.



A broad brush. I can't see Garrison Keillor as a cynic.


Either not all users of humour are comedians, or not all comedians are cynics.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
May 8, 2018 - 09:21pm PT
Jim: Cynicism is the root of comedy for a good reason.

I see what you’re getting at, Jim, but I think you might be thinking of something else other than cynicism. You might be thinking of doubt, ignorance, ways to express the pain of life, or simply questioning. However, a cynic seems to me to be a person who is generally sour on life, to include other people’s lives. On this thread, at least, I’d venture to say that some people are generally cynical and sour. You tell me.

I can’t think of much comedy at all that isn’t oriented to making fun of others. Would you say that’s healthy?

Be well.
zBrown

Ice climber
May 8, 2018 - 09:34pm PT
The eyes of Texas are upon you



Lens is effectively Google’s engine for seeing, understanding, and augmenting the real world. It lives in the camera viewfinder of Google-powered software like Assistant and, following an announcement at I/O this year, within the native camera of top-tier Android smartphones. For Google, anything a human can recognize is fair game for Lens. That includes objects and environments, people and animals (or even photos of animals), and any scrap of text as it appears on street signs, screens, restaurant menus, and books. From there, Google uses the expansive knowledge base of Search to surface actionable info like purchase links for products and Wikipedia descriptions of famous landmarks. The goal is to give users context about their environments and any and all objects within those environments.


Has a strange but familiar ring to it, eh


A ring is called commutative if its multiplication is commutative. Commutative rings resemble familiar number systems, and various definitions for commutative rings are designed to formalize properties of the integers. Commutative rings are also important in algebraic geometry. In commutative ring theory, numbers are often replaced by ideals, and the definition of the prime ideal tries to capture the essence of prime numbers. Integral domains, non-trivial commutative rings where no two non-zero elements multiply to give zero, generalize another property of the integers and serve as the proper realm to study divisibility. Principal ideal domains are integral domains in which every ideal can be generated by a single element, another property shared by the integers. Euclidean domains are integral domains in which the Euclidean algorithm can be carried out
i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
May 9, 2018 - 07:43am PT


If you wait until your body is completely dehydrated before you drink something or completely emaciated before you eat something, your body can get far out of balance. While it is possible to eventually bring your body back to a state of well-being—it is much easier to maintain a healthy physical balance than to recover it after losing it.

Most people never put themselves into the dramatic situation where they are without water or food to the point of doing damage to their physical bodies; however, it is not uncommon for people to deprive their bodies of something equally important: alignment with Source Energy.

In the same way that it is a good idea to drink when you feel the indication of thirst—and therefore maintain your Well-Being long before dehydration is experienced—it is equally important to change the thought and release resistance at the first indication of negative emotion. For while it is certainly possible to withstand negative emotion for long periods of time, it is not the optimal experience for the cells of your physical body.

When you learn to release resistance in the early, subtle stages, your physical body must thrive. Thriving is what is natural to you.

Excerpted from Getting into the Vortex Guided Meditation CD and User Guide on 11/1/10

Our Love
Esther (Abraham and Jerry)
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
May 9, 2018 - 02:02pm PT
I can’t think of much comedy at all that isn’t oriented to making fun of others. Would you say that’s healthy?

No, I would say that's narrow.

Anyone can make fun of anything. It’s just making fun. It has little to do with the topic.

Now that is funny. Does that make you a Cynic?

I'm just making fun, Mike. And if you called me a Cynic and thought of me as sour, O.K. I'm just trying to make it seem sweeter. Can you fault a person for trying to sweeten something they see as sour?

What color is the Koolaid in your world?
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
May 9, 2018 - 05:24pm PT
Is Charlie a cynic?




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jogill

climber
Colorado
May 9, 2018 - 09:03pm PT
Principal ideal domains are integral domains in which every ideal can be generated by a single element, another property shared by the integers


Not sure where this is going in What is Mind. But we've taken extracurricular excursions in physics and math before. I try to tie mine in to weak emergence or putative qualities of mind, like time.

Speaking of which, a friend suggested I look into shape dynamics, but I don't have the physics background for it. And, in my naivety, some of it looks like astrology. But one link was surprising, the problem of time being an instance of entanglement.


Quantum Bug (scaled up 20,000X):

i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
May 9, 2018 - 09:27pm PT

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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 9, 2018 - 10:20pm PT
https://deepmind.com/blog/grid-cells/

Navigating with grid-like representations in artificial agents

Most animals, including humans, are able to flexibly navigate the world they live in – exploring new areas, returning quickly to remembered places, and taking shortcuts. Indeed, these abilities feel so easy and natural that it is not immediately obvious how complex the underlying processes really are. In contrast, spatial navigation remains a substantial challenge for artificial agents whose abilities are far outstripped by those of mammals.

In 2005, a potentially crucial part of the neural circuitry underlying spatial behaviour was revealed by an astonishing discovery: neurons that fire in a strikingly regular hexagonal pattern as animals explore their environment. This lattice of points is believed to facilitate spatial navigation, similarly to the gridlines on a map. In addition to equipping animals with an internal coordinate system, these neurons - known as grid cells - have recently been hypothesised to support vector-based navigation. That is: enabling the brain to calculate the distance and direction to a desired destination, “as the crow flies,” allowing animals to make direct journeys between different places even if that exact route had not been followed before.

The group that first discovered grid cells was jointly awarded the 2014 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for shedding light on how cognitive representations of space might work. But after more than 10 years of theorising since their discovery, the computational functions of grid cells -- and whether they support vector-based navigation -- has remained largely a mystery.

In our most recent paper published in Nature, we developed an artificial agent to test the theory that grid cells support vector-based navigation, in keeping with our overarching philosophy that algorithms used for AI can meaningfully approximate elements of the brain...




http://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0102-6

Vector-based navigation using grid-like representations in artificial agents


Andrea Banino, Caswell Barry, Benigno Uria, Charles Blundell, Timothy Lillicrap, Piotr Mirowski, Alexander Pritzel, Martin J. Chadwick, Thomas Degris, Joseph Modayil, Greg Wayne, Hubert Soyer, Fabio Viola, Brian Zhang, Ross Goroshin, Neil Rabinowitz, Razvan Pascanu, Charlie Beattie, Stig Petersen, Amir Sadik, Stephen Gaffney, Helen King, Koray Kavukcuoglu, Demis Hassabis, Raia Hadsell & Dharshan Kumaran

Abstract
Deep neural networks have achieved impressive successes in fields ranging from object recognition to complex games such as Go1,2. Navigation, however, remains a substantial challenge for artificial agents, with deep neural networks trained by reinforcement learning3,4,5 failing to rival the proficiency of mammalian spatial behaviour, which is underpinned by grid cells in the entorhinal cortex6. Grid cells are thought to provide a multi-scale periodic representation that functions as a metric for coding space7,8 and is critical for integrating self-motion (path integration)6,7,9 and planning direct trajectories to goals (vector-based navigation)7,10,11. Here we set out to leverage the computational functions of grid cells to develop a deep reinforcement learning agent with mammal-like navigational abilities. We first trained a recurrent network to perform path integration, leading to the emergence of representations resembling grid cells, as well as other entorhinal cell types12. We then showed that this representation provided an effective basis for an agent to locate goals in challenging, unfamiliar, and changeable environments—optimizing the primary objective of navigation through deep reinforcement learning. The performance of agents endowed with grid-like representations surpassed that of an expert human and comparison agents, with the metric quantities necessary for vector-based navigation derived from grid-like units within the network. Furthermore, grid-like representations enabled agents to conduct shortcut behaviours reminiscent of those performed by mammals. Our findings show that emergent grid-like representations furnish agents with a Euclidean spatial metric and associated vector operations, providing a foundation for proficient navigation. As such, our results support neuroscientific theories that see grid cells as critical for vector-based navigation7,10,11, demonstrating that the latter can be combined with path-based strategies to support navigation in challenging environments.




http://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-04992-7

AI mimics brain codes for navigation


Francesco Savelli & James J. Knierim
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
May 10, 2018 - 08:30am PT
a potentially crucial part of the neural circuitry underlying spatial behaviour was revealed by an astonishing discovery: neurons that fire in a strikingly regular hexagonal pattern as animals explore their environment.



Very nice. Will we be able to use an analog of grid cells to navigate new realms of knowledge? Do we find our way to memories we want to recall by some such means? Can "Mind" be compared to a navigation system?

Keeping track of where you are is one of those invisible but essential jobs the brain does. Our conscious mind gets to float around thinking of other things.

Until you get lost.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 10, 2018 - 08:38am PT
so you're saying that maybe the map is the territory?

It might also be why the pre-geometry program is so difficult, our perception of the world is wired into us at a fundamental level.

Coming up with a different perspective might be difficult, certainly a long path to walk (so to speak).
jogill

climber
Colorado
May 10, 2018 - 11:04am PT
... neurons that fire in a strikingly regular hexagonal pattern as animals explore their environment. This lattice of points is believed to facilitate spatial navigation, similarly to the gridlines on a map

When I read this I thought of a BASIC program I wrote some time ago, one that seeks the zero of a complex function (for what z does f(z)=0?) in the complex plane.

I used a pattern of several points on the circumference of a circle to find a direction of greatest diminishing modulus, then repeated the process with smaller and smaller circles. This can be called an example of a method of steepest descent. It frequently works for non-holomorphic (though continuous) functions, whereas more sophisticated methods usually apply only to holomorphic (or analytic) functions (f'(z) exists).

Curious.
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