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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jan 22, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
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+1 for On Topic, and Off topic.
Maybe a Lost and Found?
Partner finder?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 22, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
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Chris Mac, please keep it as it was/is. When I first started posting, what back in 2005 I think, I was being reactive in some instances, and then I hopefully learned.
I still believe your forum works fine, perhaps some exceptions, but most posters seem level headed.
Okay, a lot of times climbing threads take a back seat, so we just have to keeping bumping them up.
As for the political posts, well, if indeed if it is an online campfire, well, then let's just hope people keep their posts civil.
I agree, that some people, probably with no ill well or hard feelings, just their emotions or biases, may post some crap, I am sure that I may have, I hope not, but...
It is still the best climbing forum around. And I regularly visit the others. RC, IrishClimbing.ie, UK Climbing, Mountain project, SummitPost, and sometimes pay a visit to other forums Cascade climbers, etc...
And none are as fun as the Taco Stand.
But I still think the Taco Stand is the best. Self-control by some people may be needed, okay, but who am I to judge?
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Jan 22, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
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Don't get me wrong, but I thought the forum was the campfire and the other
tabs were for climber info.
Half the fun of climbing was sitting around the campfires, BSing,
Laughing,telling jokes, etc etc.
IMHO, ST viewings would drop off if this forum was just dedicated to climbing topics.
I believe Chris started the site(and forum) as a tool to disseminate climbing info. At least that was my take on it.
I greatly respect the goal of forum with minimal moderation and subdivision, with the expectation that participants self-regulate their contribution. It's a worthy high road to be on.
However, it just doesn't seem like 'self-regulation' works here...as mentioned, there's a shiteload of OT topics (waaaaaay OT & or needlessly repetitive), and each person seems to feel it's there gawd-given right to post anything they want, and if it undermines the overall intent of this site & forum, eff 'em.
There's an awful lot of great content here that reflects all that is good about the climbing community...sadly, it too often reflects a lot of the self-oriented negativity, too.
agree 100%
It will not be the same if Chris holds the reins too tightly...
hopefully, it will return to what it once was.
p.s. been here since 2002, so I remember the good times
p.p.s it seems to me the maturity level of the posters has been reduced
I thought we were adults, but guess I was wrong.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 22, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
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if anyone tries to hijack climbing related threads, we will just ban them.
I hope similar standards apply to people who hijack art threads (boobs and such) with pictures of dreamy hunks from Teen Magazine.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 22, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
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I am a very opinionated person, and I do not tend to contribute to many forums, perhaps once in a while to the BBC News/Sports forum, or the Irish Times forum, the Taco Stand has been the forum I seek out.
Though as a journalist, I have always tried to be objective, bar columns, editorials and commentaries, and I sincerely believe I have succeeded, unless some editor changes my copy... yeah it has happened more than I like.
At first on SuperTopo, I got into some flame wars, about guns and about what county grows the best grass (joking on that last one), about well...
I am 56 and since becoming a full-time carer for a lovely woman, I have sort of mellowed. At 56, mellowed, finally. Hmmm, I wonder if I have.
But for the most part, I like most of the threads and posts on the Taco Stand. I may have been or perhaps still guilty, but I just would like us all to keep the posts civil and not flame wars.
But then I have always been an idealist and not a realist.
Rock on.
And, while I have lived abroad for a number of years, I still have a rich American heritage and proud of it.
ROCK ON
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jan 22, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
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I'm all for off-topic stuff and funny/silly threads. But it's getting to where people won't just comment in a thread, they respond with a new thread.
It's just attention grabbing- the boob thing is an example- there are like 20 threads about the same thing.
Spot on! Our tendency toward multiple threads on the same topics crowds out the diversity that the first page deserves. To use ontheedge's example, it seems incongruous to me to nuke the "boobs" thread, but leave all the resultant threads intact. I wish there were some way that CMac could combine redundant threads. That, alone, would free up a lot more first page space.
John
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Jan 22, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
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I know that Chris has siad in the past that he is opposed to having an off topic forum, but I think it's time.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 22, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
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Change nothing.
The wild west feel is what I come to ST forum for.
Nothing is as boring as a "Climbing topics only" site, or a Partners page etc.... Just go look at MP to see what I mean.
If anything, boot the idiots who "go over the line".
CM or whoever moderates, needs to draw that line and not back down.
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Michelle
Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Jan 22, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
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I had to check my browser just now to make sure I wasn't on rc.com. whew.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Jan 22, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
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This is all so funny. I did not realize this was a bumped thread - thought it was all new posts at first. This place is pretty awesome. I hardly look at much else on the net in terms of forums - this is were it's happening. We are in the midst of the Golden Age of Climbing Forums. What attracts me to here is the way subjects are all mixed up. It's more lifelike, more organic - has a more natural prioritizatioin going on. There's a search function if somebody wants to do some tuning. There's more to climbing than climbing. Viva ST!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jan 22, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
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The forum is instantaneously a better place with that weird chick - who doesn't even climb - deactivated. How many user names has she used - five? Six?
At any rate, Chris and RJ are remarkably restrained when it comes to banning or deactivating people. You have to be incredibly annoying to get kicked out of a forum that is virtually unmoderated. However when you cross the line, you pay the price. Good on them for showing some common sense. We don't need this place cluttered with thousands [thirty thousand? fifty thousand?] non-climbing posts.
For the record, I remain strongly in favour of some sort of division between "climbing stuff" and "non-climbing stuff", and once again volunteer my time to split it up.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Jan 22, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
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We need a little anarchy - the world is coming to an end anyway. Yeah, they got the dates wrong the last couple of times but it's coming!
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Latitute 33
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Jan 22, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
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For all the BS/OT that seems to get posted (most of which I never bother to click on -- remember that IS an option), it seems that things are fine the way they are.
It also seems that when someone gets way out of line they get banned.
rc.com is always an alternative for those of you who are so bothered by OT posts. Though, last I looked in there, they still have stupid flame wars -- just they are ostensibly climbing related flame wars. LOL
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Jan 22, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
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Limiting threads strictly to climbing topics would eliminate a lot of the laughs which compel me to waste entirely too much time here. There’s some good, intelligent discussion in some of the OT stuff - as well as a load of idiotic drivel.
I’d say keep the variety, but just go ahead and whack anything as offensive or disrespectful as dead bodies, triple x pornography or personal attacks which don’t make a point. Above all (or below all) whack the flame wars, of which there are some really ugly examples in this thread and are a waste of everybody’s time, as well as sullying the image of climbers.
But in the end it’s your forum and your time, Chris. Do what you have to, and thanks.
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tornado
climber
lawrence kansas
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Jan 22, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
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boobs.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Jan 22, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
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A lot of us don't post much anymore because the OT stuff pushes everything climbing (or remotely climbing) related so far past the first page.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 22, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
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Fossil and Tami
+1 and 2
Don't change CM, the diversity is what keeps the Taco Stand, well, special.
Check the other sites out. No anarchy. Rule ST.
And, it is a big relief for me. Oops, Am I displaying too much?
I still climb, not like I used to, but I still have my dreams.
Actually Lois wasn't that bad (sometimes) for a non-climber, she gave me some good advice on medical training and being a nurse practitioner (didn't happen). And Jeff the tool wasn't that bad, offered me help for my mom's funeral.
I think I have won the EuroMillions tonight. Whoo weeee. €30m. Okay Jen and I will move to Grenada and I will pay St George's University to enroll me (endowment of some sort) in the joint MD/Veterinary program.
And a new rack of gear for (most) Supertopians.
And then I woke up.
Chris, you have a good site... an unique site, don't make it like the others.
The goal, just bump the good threads to the top, climbing threads or otherwise, worthwhile threads. The saying is that sh#t floats to the top, but as Taco Standers, we can change that.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jan 22, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
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I never looked at this as a "climbing" forum but rather a forum were climbers (our clan) can discuss anything and everything. That's the glory of the site - that it's not strictly beholden to describing face moves and cam placements. Supertopo is not a surrogate for the Climbing Mag. It's just a curiosity and a brain dump and repository for whatever is interesting. Since tastes differ, you'll not like everything, but placing restriction on the content to maintain some imagined editorial agenda is to cut the legs off this fandango, IMO.
JL
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 22, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
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Hey John/Largo, plus 1.
And DMT and Dave Kos, yeah, another plus one.
EDIT
We all have our own problems.
I have a lovely partner who at 61 suffers from dementia (I clean the bedroom up, next day, clothes all over).
But what the Taco Stand gives me is a release, friendships, and memories.
ST is special to me, it is an outlet, some of you I know (around C4 campfires), some I have even climbed with, and some, I don't know but can identify with.
ChrisMac, keep it unique, what sh#t floats to the top will be flushed down the toilet by most of us.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Jan 22, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
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I think it should be tit for a tat
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