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Domingo
Trad climber
El Portal, CA
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Oct 26, 2008 - 05:48pm PT
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"I shudder when I think what would happen if 'your kind' made decisions for all of us less worthy people. Maybe Christians are so intolerant they should be put into re-education camps and if they don't submit to your tolerance, they should be eliminated. "
Reminds me of where Christians put their homosexual children, except Christianity is a chosen way of life, and homosexuality isn't.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Oct 26, 2008 - 07:11pm PT
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PROP 8 SUPPORTERS YOU SUCK!!!!!
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Flashlight
climber
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Oct 26, 2008 - 07:12pm PT
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Uncle Doug, did anybody ever tell you that you were an idiot? What your comment about me pulling over a gay couple had to do with the discussion is beyond me. You are a fool and I will no longer respond to your crap.
Weschrist, you need to get a better handle on what the Bible actually teaches beforer you go spouting off drivel that it teaches child rape, etc., as morals. You are a fool also.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Oct 26, 2008 - 07:24pm PT
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"Reminds me of where Christians put their homosexual children, except Christianity is a chosen way of life, and homosexuality isn't. "
Where do they put them, in your mind? Do they execute those little heathens? I'm curious what you think of Christians, Domingo?
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Domingo
Trad climber
El Portal, CA
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Oct 26, 2008 - 07:48pm PT
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Bluering:
Here's an article about one of the camps I was referring to: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4893735.ece
I have no problem with anyone's creed, as long as it preaches love and not fear, and as long as those followers listen as much as they profess. I have plenty of friends and family members from many religions. I see my somewhat blanket statement about Christians was misleading, and I apologize for the offense.
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Flashlight
climber
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Oct 26, 2008 - 07:59pm PT
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Domingo, where does Christianity teach fear and does "love" mean condoning everybody's actions?
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Domingo
Trad climber
El Portal, CA
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Oct 26, 2008 - 08:16pm PT
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I'm not saying it's taught by Christianity. I'm saying that people of all creeds (and in this case with some people here who happen to be Christians) use their religions as a method to force a bigoted, fearful agenda onto other people so that they don't have to see things they are uncomfortable with.
There are murders, rapes, genocides, famines, incidences of child abuse, and all sorts of other preventable CRIMES happening right now, and instead you spend your energy fighting something that that will not create genocide, that does not increase famine, that does not abuse children AS IT IS BETWEEN TWO CONSENTING ADULTS, that will not induce rape (as rape already happens, is predominantly heterosexual, and unchanged by a law about marriage), and (as you point out) will not add to the number of starving unloved children on this earth.
As for murder, humans are murdered because some among us think they are less than human. A vote for gay unions speaks to a belief that these are human beings who deserve the same rights other adult, mutually consenting human beings have.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Oct 26, 2008 - 08:19pm PT
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"Christianity is a chosen way of life, and homosexuality isn't."
actually, all sexuality is a chosen way of life...most married people choose to be monogamous...some people choose to be chaste...many people choose to be promiscuous...some people choose to act on all of their sexual urges...most people choose not to act on all of their sexual urges...some people choose to pursue sex purely for pleasure...some people choose to pursue sex primarily as a means of procreation...nobody can control their desires, but we can all choose whether or not to act on those desires
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Oct 26, 2008 - 08:39pm PT
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choice or not, you have no right to choose the way people live out their personal lives.
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Flashlight
climber
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Oct 26, 2008 - 08:42pm PT
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When it affects how my children are taught about marriage it does give me the right.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Oct 26, 2008 - 08:49pm PT
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It dosnt affect your children, you and you alone are responsible for teaching your children these types of things. The lie put forth by supporters about teachers in public schools teaching their students about marriage has fallen flat on its face, google it.
Teach love and respect and your views on marriage to your children, dont force your belifs onto those that are not your responsibility. free choice right?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Oct 26, 2008 - 09:03pm PT
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bluering- What is the difference between marriage and civil unions?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Oct 26, 2008 - 09:05pm PT
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some men like to take it in the ass. What are we to do?
I know it is disgusting, but this is California.
If Dirt wants to have another man that is his right.
Juan
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2008 - 09:06pm PT
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"actually, all sexuality is a chosen way of life...most married people choose to be monogamous...some people choose to be chaste...many people choose to be promiscuous...some people choose to act on all of their sexual urges...most people choose not to act on all of their sexual urges...some people choose to pursue sex purely for pleasure...some people choose to pursue sex primarily as a means of procreation...nobody can control their desires, but we can all choose whether or not to act on those desires "
So you chose to be a heterosexual?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 26, 2008 - 10:38pm PT
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was anyone here taught anything about marriage in public school? At any grade level?
pure fear based fabrication. and if your kids are in a Christian school what are you worried about? or afraid of?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Oct 26, 2008 - 10:40pm PT
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Baba
"Mandating morality for others is nothing but prejudice."
Bluering
"You're wrong. Morality is a strict thing that isn't to be watered down and 'interpreted'. It is a line you do not cross. "
Where do you get your morality Bluering? If I look at what Jesus specifically said to do and not do, I don't find this stuff.
and as we saw, the old testament condoned lots of offensive things (polygamy, slavery, killing women and children in battle, and so on)
Jesus did say, take the speck out of your own eye before you worry about other's sins and I figure we still have some specks left to go.,
Peace
Karl
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 26, 2008 - 10:46pm PT
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Jesus Jumping Christ on a Stick - how many more days until November 4th when we can put this figgin thread out of our misery!
Let the poor SOBs marry for crying out loud - what the hell do you think is going to happen if they do - you make it sound like we will all be forced to wear butt plugs and molest the neighbor's kids just because two people love each other enough to want to be together.
Shitsakes - the gay couples I know have been together longer and have stronger relationships than most of the freaking heteros you a-holes are painting as saints.
Besides - since they can't breed - think of the positive things they can do towards over-population!!!!!!!!!!!
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Oct 26, 2008 - 10:52pm PT
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LOL !! Ricky D, I feel the exact same way.
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Flashlight
climber
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Oct 26, 2008 - 11:06pm PT
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Wade, ever check out the curiculum in a public school health education class?
California Education Code 51890
51890. (a) For the purposes of this chapter, "comprehensive health
education programs" are defined as all educational programs offered
in kindergarten and grades 1 to 12, inclusive, in the public school
system, including in-class and out-of-class activities designed to
ensure that:
(1) Pupils will receive instruction to aid them in making
decisions in matters of personal, family, and community health, to
include the following subjects:
(A) The use of health care services and products.
(B) Mental and emotional health and development.
(C) Drug use and misuse, including the misuse of tobacco and
alcohol.
(D) Family health and child development, including the legal and
financial aspects and responsibilities of marriage and parenthood.
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Flashlight
climber
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Oct 26, 2008 - 11:19pm PT
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Churches might be sued and lose their tax-exempt status if they refuse to allow same-sex "marriage" ceremonies.
If a minister preaches against same-sex "marriage", he might get charged with hate-speech. It already happened in Canada.
What about photographers, caterers, etc. if they refuse to work a gay "wedding"? What about doctors who refuse artificial insemination?
Want more examples?
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