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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jan 20, 2013 - 10:18am PT
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Good morning. I do have somewhat of a life outside of Supertopo. (But I do look forward to retirement so I can be here 24/7.)
Doc Sprock was doing a good job saying what I would say yesterday but then late last night he went completely off the rails. As he says, he has not been on board in nearly 40 years but he has tasted the Kool-Aid. He is definitely not on the inside and would be booted quickly for posting the garbage he digs up and dumps here. Practicing Scientology requires a discipline that he does not have. But thanks for giving it a try Doc. And thanks for the earlier posts.
The fact is Scientology is great stuff. All this horror and crazy crap written about it is 180 degrees opposite.
What more could I do than state my experience. You have to see for yourself directly if you are going to have a valid opinion.
Newspaper writers make no money writing that Mr Savage got into Scientology and it helped him quit drugs (which were really bringing him down) and achieve his personal spiritual goals far beyond all expectations. ZZZZZZZZZZ
A much better story is the a gullible fool was brainwashed into doing all sort of embarrassing things and was bilked out of lots of money. Better throw in some deaths, and wild stories about aliens to make it even more crazy. Ah,, there is a something that will sell.
Brainwashing is when you give up your own personal integrity and believe whatever you are told.
Scientology is the exact opposite. Scientology helps you to stand up, be your self, see for yourself what is true and what is not. Hubbard demanded that you think for yourself (Scientology; The Fundamentals of Thought).
The following short video was made by a friend of mine who I took climbing in Yosmite when he was a kid. Many of the other people pictured are friends of mine and one helped me put up the route Vestal Virgin at Texas Canyon.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Scientology is the realest thing you will ever find in this crazy world.
Believe it... or, Not.
I'm going climbing now. After that I'm going down to Sunset to work on my next Scientology course. You are always welcome join me. I'll make sure you have a good time.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jan 20, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
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Freedom of Religion = License to Rip Off the Gullible
Give me all your money, then I'll make sure you'll get to go to the Happy Place when you die where you'll be reunited with all your family and loved ones. All the neurotic dependency games you played as a child will go on forever and ever.
Now, just give me all your money!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 20, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
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Spider said:
The fact is Scientology is great stuff. All this horror and crazy crap written about it is 180 degrees opposite.
ok, I admit to just reading up on Scientology lately thanks to this thread
i have read reams, loads, all kinds of bad stuff about it.
So let's hear all the "great stuff" about it!
Can you take the lead Spider and educate me, a brief summary, perhaps?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 20, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
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Crickets
No great stuff?
Not even one such stuff?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 20, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
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there is nothing good about scientology
stay away
it does not work,
just go on the way you are,
keep a closed mine so everybody will like you,
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jan 20, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
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The only reason for a guy, any guy, to join a cult is for chicks.
Got any scientologist chick pics?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jan 20, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
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i say go easy on chris. he's a decent guy, and it took more than the usual guts to "come out" about this on here. stop your attention whoring about scientology and try to have a dialogue with him. we might learn something. he might learn something.
speaking of chicks, when i worked for berlitz translations, we had one hot blonde babe in the graphic arts department who was, unfortunately, a scientologist. all the jokes about it stopped when she was around. say what you will about this cult, they manage to attract some beautiful people.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jan 20, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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Alleged Hot Scientologist chicks, so far, big head guy.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 20, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
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Good post Tony.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jan 20, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
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They're still alleged hot scientiligist chicks, so far.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
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they had jokes back in 73 like;
"what do you call a gay scientology couple?"
"a 2D Fruti"
2D stands for the 2nd dynamic, which is sex,
get it? prertry funny, eh? or not.
and we hated chick corea music,
just because your a scientologist it does not mean you can't suck,
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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Jan 20, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 21, 2013 - 01:03am PT
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well, that cuts both ways,
what did we call the general public, Wogs was a word i remember, Normies,
if you want to get the best and skip the rest, and for cheap, this is what you do,
skip the clearing course and OT levels as the "price per benifit" tends to get worse as you move up the ladder.
they figure if you made it that far, you can surly sport down some big bucks for the advanced levels,
maybe even take a road trip to saint hill if your really loaded,
well, us hippies and drunks at the Kappa Sigma frat house at UC Davis we Required to take the 50 dollarr Comm Course down on Olive Drive, right across the street from Murder Burger,
ok, so it was not like i got talked into it by some street seizmologists, i was getting pressure from the Frat Ratsm so i took it,
but being a broke college student i could not afford the 600 dollar Dianetic Auditors course, or the $1500 dollar Life Repair, or the $4,000 Drug Rundown, so the option they give you is to join the staff.
now i recieved No auditing from the center, only Training.
there ar two ladders in scientology, the training side, and the auditing side where you go OT,
so we train and audit each other, pretty slick, make high priced shrinks out of Normies and have a self perpetuatung machine,no PhD in Shrikology required,
L Ron was a genius in many was, and us Frat boys could smell a few things we didn't like, we were the worst skeptics in town, that is why very few of us did anything more than the Comm course and maybe the PRD, which is the Primary Rundown where you sit there with a dictionary and look up 10,000 words and define them visually with a Demo Kit, which is a can full of junk, you use the objects in the Phicial Universe to Demo out the concept,which is another concept that works extremely well.
now why these frat Rats at Kappa Sig took Seizmology, I will never know, worst frat on campus, latter shut down for gang rape and hazing,
ok, here is what you do if you want the best for cheap,
buy the books online for the Study Course, the PRD, buy Self Analysis, and steal as much info off the net on auditing up to The Grades, Level 4.
everything above the grades was L Ron just keeping product coming down the liner as people ran out of stuff to pay for,
you get the most benifit on everything up to The Grades.
books can be had for 5 bucks used, so you can read good stuff for about 20 bucks and move on to Budhism or the next best thing.
oh, and i took apart my emeter, those are a total rip, so i bought mine used for 200.
now they sting you for mega bucks, so if you need the schematic, forget it, i lost it a long time ago,
it really is a good circuit, works very well,
yoiu can watch your thoughts move the needle around, tripped me out,
Mary Sue Hubbard was Hot!
but we frat boys did not like L Ron cruising around on that huge boat, those things are a money chewing machine and we knew where the money w2as coming from,
felt that if he really loved humanity, he would have lowered prices and bought a smaller boat, does anybody have a pic of that thing?
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Relic
Social climber
Vancouver, BC
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Jan 21, 2013 - 01:21am PT
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Interesting story there. So your fellow frat boys pressured you into Siesmologly? That sounds super weird. Don't frat boys usually pressure you into chugging beers and stuff like that, and not joining a cult?
Maybe in Canuckistan we roll a little different.
Oh that documentary BK linked had footage of the boat. It was ridiculous. Hubbard seemed to suit his boat.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 21, 2013 - 01:25am PT
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Garbachic, a Plant Major, had a Jungle in his room,
and a Keg going at all times,
in the basement were torture tools, and ladders and stuff,
you had to take a dump into the bucket while on the ladder, then take the Comm Course
yeah check it.
paid straight up cash
he owns that refinery also, there up yonder on the ridge,
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Jan 21, 2013 - 01:38am PT
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The fact is Scientology is great stuff.
So is meth if the downside doesn't matter.
Curt
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 21, 2013 - 01:40am PT
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whats so wrong with meth?
sonny barger likes it, an american hero,
Lemmy still does it,
hall of famer for sure,
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 21, 2013 - 01:44am PT
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try to get Lemmy into Scientology,
that would be Mission Impossible, even for that gay punk tom cruise,
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Jan 21, 2013 - 01:51am PT
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whats so wrong with meth?
Nothing I guess.
Curt
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jan 21, 2013 - 08:27am PT
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let me vouch for chris a little bit. we climbed together once, musta been back in the 90s, something up rattlesnake canyon during an scma trip. he still hangs out with that group and has an abiding interest in the mountains. he's probably a pretty good backcountry telemarker as well, although he keeps talking about going skiing with me and it never seems to get past the talk phase. i think perhaps there's been the matter of clearing some air first, and i'd very much like to pursue that on this thread.
chris is also responsible for a number of well-conceived sport routes in southern california. i've climbed some of his good lines in texas canyon. no, he isn't a bigtime hardman. i don't think he's put up much beyond 5.10s, but a solid sport developer is appreciated by the whole climbing community around here, and chris gets kudos from me for that. we get a lot of blab on supertopo about the best climbing areas, as well as a lot of criticism of the crummy rock we mess with around los angeles. the days of casually jumping in the car and driving 600 miles every weekend ought to be over. the close-in routes are a tremendous asset to our city population, and chris is one of an important group which has given this attention.
chris has also been a welcome, if somewhat cryptic, presence on supertopo. i'm not about to subscribe to scientology, but he tends to keep his cool better, and address most issues with a lot more class, than the common denominator. he also has a sense of humor which comes through in what he writes. your average supertopo buffoon only seems able to express himself by cutting up magazine pictures. i will stand by this bro because he has something to say, he says it well, and he doesn't make an effing pest of himself.
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