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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 16, 2008 - 08:29pm PT
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Last I talked to him Hollywood was on the line,..
Has he ever posted here?
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yo
climber
I drink your milkshake!
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Jul 16, 2008 - 08:49pm PT
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Might as well start off with a bang.
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pc
climber
East of Seattle
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Jul 16, 2008 - 09:12pm PT
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"Last I talked to him Hollywood was on the line,.."
Sweet! Who's going to get the lead role? I kinda like Ewan McGregor for the part. He'll have to fix that accent...or not..."I have the shummit in my shites Mellowpenny..." ;)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 16, 2008 - 09:57pm PT
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I think it was the book thing.
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Brian
climber
Cali
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Jul 16, 2008 - 10:08pm PT
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I'm with Conrad and Coz. I'd love to see a profile in Alpinist (and I'd especially like to hear the blow by blow of BBB, Metanoia, and other watershed routes). Maybe a Jeff Lowe proflie should be another letter writing campaign, especially those of us who subscribe to Alpinist.
Brian
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malabarista
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jul 16, 2008 - 10:24pm PT
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Jeff f*#king Lowe!!!
Yes you ARE a climbing god. Whatever else anyone thinks of your personal life, I don't care...
The memories you must have...
And Outside? Dropped that subscription years ago, although true I might pick it up to read an article about you.
Don't worry man.
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John Mac
Trad climber
Littleton, CO
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Jul 18, 2008 - 05:56pm PT
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Hey Jeff,
You have been and still are an amazing inspiration to many of us. No outside magazine article is ever going to change that. It's total crap.
Take care and don't let it get you down.
Cheers
john
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Jul 18, 2008 - 06:59pm PT
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I think this comes from the Diamond Heart series that Largo turned me on to - I know it's been a guiding light for me when I am sometimes a public figure. I am probably butchering it, but you'll get the idea:
An old fisherman was considered very wise and pious in his town. His reputation for good will and constitution was widely known.
A young girl, after an illicit affair with a man who claimed no part in it, found herself pregnant decided that the only thing she could do to avoid shame and retribution was to accuse the fisherman of raping and impregnating her.
She did, and the town, not wanting to believe her, asked him, "Did you do this?"
His response was, "If you say so."
They cast him out of the town and he left without a word, resuming his fishing in another village.
As time went on, and the child was born, it was very obvious that the fisherman could not have fathered the child from its features. The guilty man decided to own up to his mistake and told the town that it was he who impregnated the girl, claiming her for his wife.
The townspeople sought out the fisherman, told him all of this, and asked him to return, saying, "You did not impregnate the girl after all! Please come back!"
His response was, "If you say so."
He returned and his honor was restored, and the townspeople wondered why he did not bother to defend himself when accused.
The wise man understood the nature of reputation: it changes like the wind and only your true essences makes you who you are. It does not matter what people believe or do not believe about you. If reputation was as reliable as people lead it to believe, we wouldn't have to spend time defending and protecting it.
It doesn't matter how strangers judge you - it matters how you judge yourself.
Advice from a kid, take it for what it's worth. It's probably not even totally the right story.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jul 18, 2008 - 07:42pm PT
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"A young girl, after an illicit affair with a man who claimed no part in it, found herself pregnant decided that the only thing she could do to avoid shame and retribution was to accuse the fisherman of raping and impregnating her.
She did, and the town, not wanting to believe her, asked him, "Did you do this?"
His response was, "If you say so."
They cast him out of the town and he left without a word, resuming his fishing in another village."
That's a nice fairy tale, but it is a bunch of BULL. I don't know what country that man lived in, but if that happened in this country, he'd be doing hard time for raping a minor. Meanwhile his kids would be left struggling and fatherless with even odds that they would end up in prison themselves.
Your reputation is valuable, don't let anyone swiftboat it.
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dougs510
Social climber
down south
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Jul 19, 2008 - 01:52am PT
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Jeff,
Wow! Conrad reminded me of the amazing climbing you have accomplished. Man, you inspire me. To be a better person, and a fighter, not a quitter.
Keep it going brother!
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toomey
climber
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Jul 19, 2008 - 10:09am PT
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is definitely good to disregrd what others think of you sometimes and be content with self-judgment. But that fisherman was a pussy.
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 24, 2008 - 07:30pm PT
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This whole thread reminds me of two rules of life that were told to me by two people whom I respect more than about anything:
This first is from my father responding to me complaining about one of my products getting trashed in a well-known climbing magazine. This may not be a rule but it's a good thing to keep in mind anyway. He said, "They wrap dead fish in yesterday's newspaper." What he meant, of course, was that in the grand scheme, something like this article is meaningless and it's best not to lose too much sleep over it. Jeff, your response to Outside magazine was perfect.
The second rule is, "Never talk to the media. They always get it wrong because they are always trying to fabricate controversy." That rule came from none other than my mentor, Jeff Lowe. It's probably the hardest rule in life to follow. We always want to see ourselves in print and in this tiny industry, where our family tree is a wreath, the journalist is almost always an aquaintance if not a friend.
Peace,
Mal
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jul 24, 2008 - 07:43pm PT
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Joan Didion in Slouching Towards Bethlehem, "My only advantage as a reporter is that I am so physically small, so temperamentally unobtrusive, and so neurotically inarticulate that people tend to forget that my presence runs counter to their best interests. And it always does. That is one last thing to remember: writers are always selling somebody out."
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 24, 2008 - 11:47pm PT
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Hey Kath,
I was up in your turf (Well...Missoula) last week and thought about you. Almost called but went fishing over on the Lochsa instead. Should have called you up. Got skunked on the Lochsa but it was beautiful anyway.
Further to your post... is there any other way to be? I love both those guys.
Mal
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ChrisW
Trad climber
boulder, co
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Jul 25, 2008 - 08:03am PT
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Jello,
Who in the hell reads outside Mag anyways? F*#k it.
Pete Takeda as I know him which is just in passing. Has a big Heart.
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Ezra
Trad climber
WA, NC
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Jul 26, 2008 - 05:29pm PT
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Jeff,
Of all the climbers on this site, you seem to be the most kind, giving and forgiving. You are a hero to us all. My uncle had MS, was diagnosed at 21 and had symptoms at 19 years old. You are handling things very well from the sound of it.
The media is a bunch of Whores, any thing to dramatize sh!!t and sell stories.
This whole thing kinds reminds me or the way Krakauer screwed Anatoli Boukreev with the everest thing. The press never covered Boukreev winning the AAC's medal of honor, (guess that didn't make a good story).
Best always
ezra
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 26, 2008 - 05:34pm PT
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“Falsehood flies and truth comes limping after it.”
Jonathan Swift, 1710 (also attributed to others)
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 27, 2008 - 04:17pm PT
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I was waiting until the article was published in the online version of Outside. I didn't want to buy it, and I haven't seen it on the newsstands here yet anyway. I believe that it's best to read the article itself, then the discussion on this thread, then write to Outside if it seems appropriate.
The article is at http://outside.away.com/outside/culture/200808/jeff-lowe-climbing-1.html
Anything I write will be short and to the point.
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L
climber
Dancing beneath a Full Moon on the Edge of Forever
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Jul 27, 2008 - 08:34pm PT
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Coz,
Don't be lumping me in with that fence-sitting group. My post is still on here--and here's my letter of appreciation for such stellar-yeller journalism--this went to Outhouse Mag. last week:
To: The Editor of Outside Magazine
Date: July 19th, 2008
Last week I read the story about Jeff Lowe in the current issue of your publication, and to be honest, I found one aspect of the piece oddly disturbing.
No, not the fact that Pete Tekada claims to be a close friend of Jeff’s, yet writes this distorted anecdote laced with caustic swipes and even more corrosive innuendo. No, that’s not what threw me for the proverbial loop.
Nor the fact that Mr. Tekada lures us in with the titillating hors d'oeuvres of Jeff’s past climbing accomplishments—feats of skill and endurance unequalled then or now—yet cleverly sandwiches this delectable finger-food between chucks of misquotes, then slathers it all with an oddly passive-aggressive tartar sauce of envy. That didn’t ruffle my equanimity either.
I wasn’t even disturbed by Tekada’s glaring inability to acknowledge Jeff’s current spectacular achievements. Oh, not merely in his brilliant motivation of other athletes (be they physically-challenged or not), but successes in his professional life, his family life, and most certainly in the wealth of his personal friendships and extensive fan club (this would incorporate the entire climbing community literally throughout the world…except, of course, for…PT).
Nope, none of these things caused me as much consternation as this one Stupefying Question: When did Outside Magazine become the National Enquirer of the outdoor adventure world? And what delightful surprises can we expect to find in the National Enquirer these days…scientific fact and theory??? Or just the same old scatology which you’re promoting?
Most sincerely, an ex-reader,
L in Los Angeles
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That said, I think the Wondrous Mellow Jello is wanting to move on with his pretty damn incredible life and let go of this sour grapes/lack of understanding/editorially-bastardized piece of fiction. And I can't say that I blame him.
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