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dirtbag
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I thought this thread was about evolution, and not atheism?
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scuffy b
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watching the flytrap
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Blight writes:
It's worth adding that an accessory trait is on display here: I [s]aid nothing at all about my beliefs being "superior" or that I am "righteous", yet Ed feels the need to attribute those arguments to me in place of discussing what I really did say.
Again, this kind of ordinary (and it should be said very predictable) lying is a common trait of atheist thinking, but I expect we'll have to time to go into why later.
You characterize Ed as a liar but without thinking your beliefs
are superior?
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bc
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Prescott, AZ
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Blight, why is it you see all athiests/humanists as a bunch of fanantical, pathological, crusading liars with powerful, all consuming needs to attack religion (recombining your own words here). Your word choices reveal the real "consuming bitterness" you have while attempting to ascribe it to others. You sound like one angry xtian. I quess you don't like it when your religious day dreaming is brought into the bright light of reason. You can dance around all you like, but you still don't have evidence for any of it. Is that why your angry?
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Blight
Social climber
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"I thought this thread was about evolution, and not atheism? "
This speaks to my earlier point: the thread was indeed about evolution but the drive to accuse and demonise religion is so strong in many atheists that it almost immediately became a forum to air grievances against religion.
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bc
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Prescott, AZ
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"I thought this thread was about evolution, and not atheism? "
This speaks to my earlier point: the thread was indeed about evolution but the drive to accuse and demonise religion is so strong in many atheists that it almost immediately became a forum to air grievances against religion.
Blight, I think Floyd threw out the first salvo against evolution. It seems the drive to demonize science is a little faster on the draw.
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Blight
Social climber
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"Why is it you see all athiests/humanists as a bunch of fanantical, pathological, crusading liars with powerful, all consuming needs to attack religion (recombining your own words here)."
I don't, and of course didn't say any such thing.
Certainly a great many atheists are just as you describe - after all, is this a thread primarily of christians attacking atheists, or atheists attacking christians? But not all by any stretch of the imagination.
The pathology is common, but manifests itself, like any pathology, in greater and lesser degrees.
In the greater degree it leads of course to preposterous and often self contradictory arguments. Rcihard Dawkins has shown good exmaples of this direction of atheist thinking many times. Famously, he said that it would be less harmful for a child to be the victim of a violent homosexual rape than to be raised catholic - but maintained, as he does now, that he doesn't want religion made illegal.
This of course raises an interesting question in light of the fact that rape is of course illegal - does Dawkins believe that rape should be legalised? If it is less harmful than religion and he doesn't believe religion should be illegal then it seems, like much of atheist thinking, a nonsense position!
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dirtbag
climber
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Some religious people sure hate atheists.
I guess they feel threatened.
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Blight
Social climber
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"I think Floyd threw out the first salvo against evolution."
He pointed out that abiogenesis is yet to be replicated.
Of course there is no religion in what he said, no reference to it at all. Within 10 posts, Ed, dirtbag and then many others dragged religion in where nobody else had even mentioned it.
As I said: a strong drive to find fault with religious people - so strong in fact that even entirely legitimate scientific queries are characterised as irrational, religious nonsense.
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Blight
Social climber
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"Some religious people sure hate atheists.
I guess they feel threatened."
Well, you started complaining about religion and slinging nonsense about religious people before anyone else had even mentioned either.
So it seems that it's you who feels threatened. Why is that?
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drgonzo
Trad climber
east bay, CA
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And yet Xtians are atheists too. They're atheists in regards to Zeus, Allah, Thor, Shiva, etc.
If you were to go around telling your friends that 2 + 2 = 32456.876, they'd take you aside and tell you you're not right in the head. But if you go around talking about an imaginary friend in the sky that: created the universe, has never been proven to exist, wrote an internally inconsistent "holy book" whose only claim to truth is that it itself claims to be true, is omnipotent, is omniscient, and habitually demands more of your money every Sunday, rational adults are supposed to give you respect? WTF?
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bc
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Prescott, AZ
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Blight, yes, we could go tit-for-tat about what side said what outrageous comment about the other side. You are a good foot soldier for the religious side, it's too bad they never found the bullets for your gun. Start a new thread if you hear of any good evidence for god, etc. Good luck to you and all the rest. Discussions like this never get anywhere. I'm taking the kids to the lake.
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dirtbag
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"So it seems that it's you who feels threatened. Why is that? "
Oh really?
Show me where I posted something that indicates that. The only thing I feel threatened about are rats crawling from Lenin.
Okay...if you want to say I feel threatened by superstition, then sure, that's probably true, I admit. Superstition has caused quite a few problems for people for centuries.
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Ouch!
climber
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"How did Noah get his hands on American Bison"
Maybe that personage bought a herd with them golden plates.
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Blight
Social climber
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"I'm taking the kids to the lake."
Okay, have a great time and thanks!
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Blight
Social climber
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"Okay...if you want to say I feel threatened by superstition, then sure, that's probably true, I admit. Superstition has caused quite a few problems for people for centuries."
A level of paranoia, a conviction that religion is a threat - yes, those are normal if unfortunate parts of the atheist pathology.
How they manifest is very interesting too. Not simply in terms of the strength of feeling but in terms of sheer quantity. As in your case, religion is often dragged into almost every debate not matter how irrelevant and no matter whether anyone else even mentions it.
It's this obssessive attention to religion coupled with an almost incessant questioning of religious principles which shows just what nonsense "atheism" really is. Far from living without God, a great many atheists are utterly obssessed by it to the extent that it dominates every area of their thought and leaves them totally unable to discuss even something as specifically scientific as abiogensis without immediately beginning to discuss it unprompted.
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dirtbag
climber
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I was going to type a response to Blight, but I think BC's lake idea is a good one. You can't have discussions with nuts.
Have a good one.
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andanother
climber
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“In fact almost every church and temple holds teaching sessions several times a week and runs outside study groups to challenge and discuss the ideas and thinking being presented.
Do atheists attend such seminars? “
No, but for many years I DID attend such things. And that is why I am an atheist.
“that religious people question, doubt and analyze their beliefs, often very deeply.”
My experience has been quite the opposite, though I guess it depends on your definition of “deeply”. The more I looked into it, the more I realized that religion is just a childish need for comfort. Many people simply don’t want to grow up. They always want to have that “parental” figure guiding them. That’s why you feel threatened by atheists. Because you are insecure about your immaturity.
I imagine you have stopped sucking your thumb, stopped wetting the bed, hit puberty, and moved out of your parents house. It’s time to grow up and take the next step, big boy!
You claim that atheists hate religious people. That simply is not true. They are simply misguided, and I speak out against religion because I think, overall, it does more harm than good to a society.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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and another, I have never felt threatened by an atheist. They just have a differece of opinion than I do. We are all allowed our opinions, right? Lynnie
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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fatrad, I'm not too concerned about "how things came about". We are here! So are animals and all kinds of beasties.
"How things came about" topics often lead to devisive arguments. Obviously from this thread no one has the real facts in hand to demonstrate what actually happened. Opinion and speculation at best.
What I'm taking about are the words of Jesus....He changed my life. Talking about forgiveness....his was the ultimate.
Smiles, Lynne
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drgonzo
Trad climber
east bay, CA
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"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-H. L. Mencken
Mencken was way too tolerant.
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