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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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Jan 12, 2008 - 07:35pm PT
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"And the Lord did grin."
- Armaments, 2:9-21
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 12, 2008 - 08:20pm PT
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hey there... say, i skimmed through here and noticed someone mentioned my name and wondered where i was.... well, seemed there was a huge avalanch here it seems .... wow... so i took the side trail:
what is god....
say, but as to science... god knows all about it... so i'll leave this avalanche in his hands...
wow, you all HAVE been busy here, so much to read! :)
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elcap-pics
climber
Crestline CA
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Jan 12, 2008 - 08:38pm PT
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Neebee... you said that god knows all about science... what evidence to you have to support that statement? Do you have some secret connection to what god knows? You know only what your imagination can conjure up. God is totally unknown by man, and there is no evidence that He/She/It even exists, just texts written many hundreds of years ago by people who knew nothing too... all you have is your fabrications... that is why there some 3000 religions.. none of them know anything but what they have devised, and all demand belief through unquestioned faith. Believe what you like but when you suppose to know what god knows your are living on fantasy island.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 12, 2008 - 08:47pm PT
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Yes, yes she has secret connection for sure. She's an angel.
"but as to science... god knows all about it....."
She said it perfectly.
Those that are demanding proof that God reveal himself to them will never see him.
The challenging attitude will never work.
Only God can reveal and prove himself to you.
Are you worthy?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 12, 2008 - 08:56pm PT
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hey there el-cap pics.... say, this might solve the mystery as i to why i happen to think that god knows all about science:
why, i even think that you something about science, too... but i dont know how much you know--as i dont know you, naturally...
(me, i sure dont know too much about science though, sadly, as i dont remember much of my school days)...
but actually god has been very nice to me, so that MUCH i do KNOW....(and through some mighty hard times), so i humbly reckon that if he KNOWS how to help me, that surely he knows all about science, AS I AM part of the science of the world...
i sure hope this helps you understand some, as it is my best shot, dear sir... :)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 12, 2008 - 08:59pm PT
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hey there werner, ol' wbaun.. say, there... a happy and hearty "hey there, at that" to you dear sir!
alwalys so very nice to run into you on the trails and trials of life----say, as to your quote:
"Those that are demanding proof that God reveal himself to them will never see him."
say---a mighty POWERFUL quote, if i ever saw one...
thanks for the share, wbraun.... say hi to yosemite and all its splendor and folks, too, for me...
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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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Jan 12, 2008 - 09:16pm PT
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To Nobodaddy (and Werner and Neebee)
Why art thou silent & invisible
Father of jealousy
Why dost thou hide thyself in clouds
From every searching Eye
Why darkness & obscurity
In all thy words & laws
That none dare eat the fruit but from
The wily serpents jaws
Or is it because Secresy
gains females loud applause
-William Blake
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jan 12, 2008 - 09:27pm PT
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neebee wrote: but actually god has been very nice to me, so that MUCH i do KNOW....(and through some mighty hard times), so i humbly reckon that if he KNOWS how to help me, that surely he knows all about science, AS I AM part of the science of the world...
Neebee...that would be human behavior...he/she might know a little about that.
Most responses on the proof of God fall into a big gray area...or shall we say they are base on faith.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jan 12, 2008 - 09:50pm PT
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A legitimate god would, Have to Know about science, couldn't be god otherwise, it's one of the rules...
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 12, 2008 - 09:55pm PT
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You're a sharp guy Jay ....
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elcap-pics
climber
Crestline CA
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Jan 12, 2008 - 11:03pm PT
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I don't demand that god do anything... and it has not yet revealed itself to anyone that we know of (except perhaps to G. Bush telling him to go to war with Iraq)... so how can any of you make statements about god doing this or that when it has never revealed itself? .... Could it be that there is nothing to reveal? My good friend Werner said it best somewhere above in this posting.... it is all "specualtion" I recall him writing... so all I am saying is that specualtion is not a strong enough argument for a critical thinking, rational person to base belief on. It would appear to be even less than speculation actually, which usually is based on something, but rather a fabrication based on nothing more than wishful thinking. That is why I wrote in another post on this topic that these discussions are pretty much a waste of time, although interesting... the nonbeliever says "show me the proof" while the believer says "just have faith". Faith and proof can't be reconciled it would seem. It is kind of interesting to see what "seeming" ridiculous (to me that is)things people will believe without the slightest proof. It is not important to me that you think more rationally, as I am sure it is not to you that I accept things on faith... to each his owm! Rock on Dudes!
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Jan 14, 2008 - 08:47pm PT
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Just wanted to bump this thread and check in as I had promised earlier. I'm feeling under the weather with a virus that's hurting my eyes so I'm going to wait a little longer to post, hoping to read the recent postings with greater care, and hope the discussion can still be entered. (My painful eyes are a good reminder for me to appreciate being able to "see" your thoughts.)
Many postings here represent some tremendous insights, real patience with opposing points of view, valid experiences and inspiring efforts to communicate amid the modern polarized climate. All of them represent a great deal of personal courage. Thanks.
Bruce Adams
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jan 14, 2008 - 08:53pm PT
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Haven't checked in a while, who is ahead? God, or science? someone has money ridding on this!
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 14, 2008 - 09:36pm PT
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Neither can be ahead.
The science of God encompasses all of material creation in all Universes.
The material creation is 1/4 of all creation, 3/4 of creation is the spiritual worlds.
Modern science will not like what I just said.
They will demand proof.
Still modern scientist can not even see their own eye ball without an instrument that was manufactured from the material elements.
Just see how they must submit to the superior .......
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elcap-pics
climber
Crestline CA
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Jan 14, 2008 - 10:19pm PT
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Well maybe it is 35% material and 65% spiritual.... or maybe 95% material and 5% spiritual... or maybe 100% material and 0% spiritual... you see man when you make up numbers like you did it shows that you are just making things up, with no basis in reality and that greatly weakens your arguments!... you have no way to know such things! Sounds good however, if faith is all you employ.
But whenever I do have some question about the spiritual world I will be sure to ask you Bro as you seem to be very into it and I have never found you to be anything but an honest and forthright friend... ;) Luv you Bro!!
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 14, 2008 - 10:34pm PT
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In the "Bhagavad-gita As It Is", you will find:
"...in the brahmajyoti (spiritual sky) there are innumerable spiritual planets. The number of these planets is far, far greater than all of the planets of this material world. This material world has been approximated as only one quarter of the creation (ekamsena sthito jagat).
In this material segment there are millions and billions of universes with trillions of planets and suns, stars and moons.
But this whole material creation is only a fragment of the total creation. Most of the creation is in the spiritual sky."
Yeah, that's life ........
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labrat
Trad climber
Nevada
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Jan 14, 2008 - 11:26pm PT
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I'm coming back to read more!!!!
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Cuz
Trad climber
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Jan 14, 2008 - 11:39pm PT
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God vs. Science, apples and oranges.
If I meet God face to face ‘I would know He was real’.
Now, how could I prove it to someone else?
I could show them a picture of us but they could say it was Photoshoped.
I could record our conversation but they could say it was faked.
No matter what I did they wouldn’t believe me if they didn’t want too.
If you sincerely go looking for God He will make himself as real to you as anything on this earth.
The Bible, Gods word…
More than 1000 prophecies…
Over 600 have come true to date…
…Just something to think about.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jan 14, 2008 - 11:49pm PT
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"Those that are demanding proof that God reveal himself to them will never see him."
An occasional high five would be nice. Were all of those unexpected hi-fives, God? Thanks to all, whoever they were!
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