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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 20, 2007 - 12:40pm PT
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Sewellymon always pays full retail, plus 10 percent.
He gets no respect, gives none, and we love him so.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jul 20, 2007 - 01:40pm PT
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So DaftRat let me get this straight, your claim to fame, other than being a tool for Zionism and Neo-Conservatism, is that you once sold, at full retail, a pair of the worst shoes ever made to a friend. And that is why you think we HAVE TO listen to your B.S.
Ahh the sickly sweet smell of delusions of grandeur.
You know Dafty if you would quit spewing your bile of slaughtering brown people to make the world safe for Zionism Taco Standers might take you seriously.
Now how about we get back to the intent of this thread?
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Jul 20, 2007 - 02:52pm PT
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"Almost twenty-five posts in a row with nothing about "living history."
Does that make them ant vomit or just not up to your standard?
Current happeinings that will be remembered fondly in years to come is what I consider is living history.
Stories from the days of yore is just history.
It's ALL good.
I honestly think that someday DMT's or Brutus' or yo's or Ed Hartouni's (etc.) TR's will be read by youngun's who, like many of us now, value them for reasons other than catching a glimpse of climbing at the absolute standard for difficulty of the day.
Edit...This post makes me remember my favorite TR. It was posted by a pseudonym and no names were used. I came to realize a year or two after reading it 'who' the characters were. Had the names been used (dropped?), you would probably count the thread as living history. People would probably treat the OP differently too. Perhaps that's why he chose to keep it as just his story as opposed to turning it into history?
So many beautiful stories get lost when we limit the ones deemed worth telling to the well-publicized standard breakers. Women's climbing history is a fairly obscure topic partly for this reason.
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Jul 20, 2007 - 03:21pm PT
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Melissa, you might try reading, even slightly reading, and trying to understand what I have been saying. Where did I ever say I wanted to undervalue someone's current story or TR? Or where did I say older history is more valuable than current events? And where did I say I want to censor anyone? And where did I say I am judging Hourtini or any of the latest people or trying to supress anything they have to say or share? You accuse me of all these things. Try at least in some small way to catch the drift of what I'm saying so you can stop putting all those false notions on me and trying to say I am setting up the standard by which everyone is to be judged. How ridiculous. Anyway all those issues belong on the "inquiry" thread and not on this one, if you must. I simply pointed out that a lot of threads here passed by with nothing whatsoever being said about any kind history, living, dead, past, or present, a good example of how threads are led away from the subject into oblivion. Mayby that kind of stuff is what you prefer to read, so protective of it as you are. Did I overlook a couple threads that were actually about something? Sorry.
But to stay on thread, the most amazing boulderer I think I may have ever seen, other than John Gill (who was always leagues above anyone, all things considered), was Rich Borgman. Although he rarely, if ever, did a first ascent (that wasn't for some strange reason his cup of tea), he could climb anything Gill put in front of him, and certainly any of the hardest routes I or anyone I knew could do. He did them all first try, as well. I first met him bouldering with Gill, and Rich and I competed against each other in a gymnastics meet between Colorado University and Colorado State University. That fellow was a lizard, like none other.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Jul 20, 2007 - 03:23pm PT
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"Anyway all those issues belong on the "inquiry" thread and not on this one, if you must. I simply pointed out that a lot of threads here passed by with nothing whatsoever being said about any kind history, living, dead, past, or present, a good example of how threads are led away from the subject into oblivion."
And I disagreed with you and tried to explain to you, citing examples of similar types of 'living history' that I appreciate, why I valued having every one of those 25 'off topic' posts right where they were.
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Jul 20, 2007 - 04:44pm PT
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Who deleted what posts? I only deleted one of my own posts when I got the sense it offended someone. Was that wrong?
Melissa. I was too hard on you. I apologize. I think you make good points, one for example that "living history" can include the present moment and people in middle of their lives now. I went back to see how Bob had initially defined this thread, and he seems to agree with you there. That's a good insight on your part. I probaby am too focused into the past. That's only because I have no future. I also like your idea that it is difficult to decide who should be the gate-keeper and make the decisions for deleting garbage. I'm really sorry if I have communicated a notion that I want to silence anyone. Hardly. I don't even want to silence Wes. Sometimes he makes sense. On occasion I like what he says. But a thread can go along, you know something like this:
A: Do you remember a climber by the name of XXXX? I saw him climb once, and he was incredibly smooth and gifte.
B: Yes I know what you mean. I climbed with him once, and he led something I was desperate to follow.
C: He was a gymnast at the university of *, and now he's living in *, with his wife and two kids.
D: I want to suck a dog's purple boner.
OK, so there we have the progression. A great huge bug has now splattered onto the windshield right in front of us. How, until your eyes glance at the message, are you to know you should have read around that message? The image is in your head now, like it or not. What did the message have to do with anything? How did it fit the topic? Does anyone have to be a rocket scientist to realize this is nothing but spew? Some might find it wonderfully incongruous and funny, I suppose. Some would cherish the idea of the freedom we allow those to "contribute" in such ways. I, for one, would get out a rag and clean that off the window. I think of a thread as a kind of Jackson Pollack painting, perhaps. A lot of different strokes begin to form the whole. Each poster contributes in some way. But then someone comes and slashes the canvas with a knife. Should that slash be part of the final work? Well it is, whether we like it or not, unless it can be repaired somehow. I'm getting over-dramatic. Anyway, if the person had said, "Pat you are a pompous imbecile." Well now that's a real opinion. That's his or her thought. It might be based on something genuine that s/he feels. I would not want to wipe that away, even if it really hurt to hear it or if it's totally wrong.
I also stated clearly that I do not insist on anything. I've just been throwing out ideas. People act as though I am demanding something. I'm not.
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JohnHemlock
Mountain climber
CO
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Jul 20, 2007 - 04:52pm PT
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I am here to post in this very important thread.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jul 20, 2007 - 04:54pm PT
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I first climbed with Dennis Horning (Dingus Mcgee) in 1977, in 79 we climbed in the meadows and the valley, he belayed me on Mentalblock (the yosemite one with the non consensus rating)
He was one smoooth climber and one of the quirkiest wit's ever. about a decade ago he had to have a plate put in his head. I climbed with him a few times (maple cnyn for one) since then.
I think he still lives in Laramie and is a carpenter. Anybody know anything more?
"I want to suck a dog's purple boner." lol! but OT!
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TwistedCrank
climber
Luxury rehabilitation treatment facility in Boise
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Jul 20, 2007 - 06:14pm PT
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Deleting posts in this thread is revisionist living history.
When a bug splats on the windshield that stuff that looks like snot is called hemolymph. HE-MO-LYMPH.
So now you know. And you can drop this little tidbit at your next cocktail party.
Climbing content: off-sized fingers
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Jul 20, 2007 - 07:55pm PT
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Yous guys suck!
Why don't yous just talk amongst yousselfs and tell us alls to go fuk ourselfs, yous fukin fuks.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Jul 20, 2007 - 07:58pm PT
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Excuse My Languge.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 20, 2007 - 08:23pm PT
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Simmer down boys.
Or not.
You guys are so cuddly.
Hey, Bill, I just realized last week that you are Wild Bill Hatcher!
Haven't seen you in a coon's age.
Here's a thread which needs some help, getting some real living history out of Mark Powell:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=418863&tn=0
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Jul 20, 2007 - 08:27pm PT
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Hey Roy, Bill Hatcher is not me, and I am not him. Or something like that. Although I have partied with Bill, and nearly got arrested with him, I am in general much less skilled with the lens.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 20, 2007 - 08:35pm PT
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Oh whutever.
Yer still Wild Bill and that's what counts.
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Jul 20, 2007 - 09:38pm PT
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You're sweet Roy.
Crowley speaks. Say hi to Supertopo's resident wanker-in-chief, A. Crowley:
Pic 'stolen' off supertopo. I see others found it here as well, including Ouch! Haha, hilarious.
Soon to be history, already toast, now that Ouch has gotten ahold of him.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 20, 2007 - 10:14pm PT
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What would the charge(s) have been?
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yo
climber
The Eye of the Snail
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Jul 20, 2007 - 10:25pm PT
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Musty in here.
(Hi, Melissa!)
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Jul 20, 2007 - 10:36pm PT
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Aint that other Wild Bill in Deborah?
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Wild Bill
climber
Ca
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Jul 20, 2007 - 10:37pm PT
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The charges were trumped up, and entirely of my doing (and not BH's). Had to do with a very fast car, an impetuous youth at the wheel, and a local Black Hills constabulary. The only remarkable thing was the car, Mazda's rally king - a turbo 16 valve AWD ripper from the late 80's.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Jul 20, 2007 - 11:20pm PT
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Well, if you didn't believe in entropy before, just re-read this thread from start to finish.
Curt
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