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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 17, 2019 - 04:06pm PT
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I also posted this response to all my hosted on ST photos being deleted by management today on RJ's Don't post Politics thread. It seems more appropriate here.
Since around 2010 I had used ST as host for all the photos I posted here. When the schist started coming down, I was somewhat concerned that the climbing history thread photos of old climbing magazine ads & catalog pages would be destroyed.
As of this morning, everything was intact. I now discover every last photo I had saved to ST is gone. There are no hot-links in the threads.
So, history fans. This history is not illustrated any longer.
Why would management want to destroy something like these historical threads?
CHOUINARD, GREAT PACIFIC IRONWORKS & Other Gear Threads
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2906806/CHOUINARD-GREAT-PACIFIC-IRONWORKS-Other-Gear-Threads
Chouinard carabiner timeline 12/11/2010
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1327553
Royal Robbins/Mountain Paraphernalia timeline & history.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1022257&msg=1022257
Gauloises, Don Whillians, the Frogs & Climbing history.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1410426/Gauloises-Don-Whillans-the-Frogs-and-Climbing-History
Here's what happened to every one of my photos stored on st.
Apr 17, 2019 - 12:44pm PT
My photos for these trip reports & threads of interest are all gone too.
The Post up a Rock on Tuesday Thread
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2577492/The-Post-Up-a-Rock-on-Tuesday-thread
The five stages of backing off climbs.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1039807/The-five-stages-of-backing-off-climbs
Donini at The City of Rocks: Climbing as a Lifetime Sport! 2010
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/Donini-at-The-City-of-Rocks-Climbing-as-a-Lifetime-Sport/t10740n.html
Skyladder & North Face Athabasca Columbia Icefields 1974
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/3051216/Skyladder-Mt-Andromeda-Columbia-Icefields-1974-Recently
2011 Sawtooth Mtns. Choss Adventure----The Grand Aiguille
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1599813&msg=1599813#msg1599813
2012 August A Short Visit to an Island! In NV. with a mtn. & history!
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1902511/A-Short-Visit-to-an-Island-In-NV-with-a-mtn-history
4 mtns, 10 Cuts, & 100 miles of ridgetop dirt road in Idaho! Sept 2012
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1931187&msg=1931187#msg1931187
Training for, then climbing a 28,999’ Tropical Volcano
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/TRAINING-FOR-THEN-CLIMBING-an-AWESOME-8839-meter-28-999-Ft-TROPICAL-VOLCANO/t11824n.html
A Ridge So Far &/or Am I getting too-old for this? Idaho 2018
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/A-Ridge-So-Far-or-Am-I-getting-too-old-for-this/t13337n.html
FRITZ & HIS FLIES! BITING-FLESH ADVENTURES IN DEEPEST IDAHO! 2018
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/FRITZ-HIS-FLIES-BITING-FLESH-ADVENTURES-IN-DEEPEST-IDAHO/t13327n.html
The Delights of Delano on the 1st day of Summer. 2018
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=3099204&msg=3099702#msg3099702
International Travel Adventures
Bariloche Argentina Treking becomes an adventure. 4/1/2010 http://www.supertopo.com/tr/Patagonia-Treking-becomes-a-Fritz-Adventure-Bariloche-Argentina/t10612n.html
Mustang story on Nepal appreciation thread. Dec 2011
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1680800&msg=1684994#msg1684994
Spring fun in Spain, with some climbing too!
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/Spring-fun-in-Spain-with-some-climbing-too/t11400n.html
A visit to Donini’s Bivy cabin in Patagonia & ensuing adventures
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2101371/Chilling-in-Chilean-Patagonia-at-Basecamp-Donini-Bivy March 2013
Brenta Dolomites hiking & climbing 2014
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2482150/Brenta-Dolomites-hiking-stories-history-adventure-thread
A Search for Cave art, Prehistoric women, Wine & Adventures in France 2015
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/A-Search-for-Cave-art-Prehistoric-women-Wine-Adventures-in-France/t12848n.html
A visit to Dubrovnik, some sailing in Croatia, & an Octoberfest Party on the way home 2017
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/A-visit-to-Dubrovnik-some-sailing-in-Croatia-an-Octoberfest-Party-on-the-way-home/t13220n.html[/quote]
HOTEL TO HOTEL HIKING WITH HEIDI & JERRY & ANGIE IN THE DOLOMITES 2018
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/HOTEL-TO-HOTEL-HIKING-WITH-HEIDI-JERRY-ANGIE-IN-THE-DOLOMITES/t13352n.html
Idaho climbing adventure classics
A SLICK ROCK Adventure in Idaho with a single Blue Camalot Belay aug.2015
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/A-SLICK-ROCK-Adventure-in-Idaho-with-a-single-Blue-Camalot-Belay/t12821n.html
Pursuit of BlueBonnet tower and the Lost Crystal Cave. Dec 2009 http://www.supertopo.com/tr/Pursuit-of-Bluebonnet-Tower-and-the-Lost-Crystal-Cave-Sawtooths-Idaho/t10506n.html
Elephant’s Perch New route 1/15/2010
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/Elephant_s_Perch_Sawtooth_Range_Idaho_NR_Epic_Pacydermial_Pleasantries_1977/t10566n.html
I saw a possible end of ST coming back about a year & started saving threads from here to my computer.
Also, Tom Lopez, the author of Idaho A Climbing Guide, has hosted these three stories on his website. Pursuit of BlueBonnet tower and the Lost Crystal Cave, Elephant’s Perch New route
A SLICK ROCK Adventure in Idaho with a single Blue Camalot Belay aug.2015
Here's the link. https://www.idahoaclimbingguide.com/contributors/ray-brooks/
Thanks fellow STians. It's been gud to know you!
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L
climber
Just livin' the dream
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Apr 17, 2019 - 04:13pm PT
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Hi Mike Bolte!
We're here in your neighborhood now...Carmel-by-the-Sea. We share an extraordinary Bay.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Apr 17, 2019 - 04:34pm PT
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I just stumbled on this thread after people complaining on picture removal on another thread. I posted a lot of copyrighted pictures that I had permission from owner to use and they have been deleted from my folder, I believe due to a drop in number of uploaded pictures.
I guess I better go delete some pictures.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Apr 17, 2019 - 04:42pm PT
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I still get a slightly degraded image on ST (at no magnification) compared with linking my site. No big deal.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
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Apr 17, 2019 - 04:54pm PT
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Really cool picture Mr. Gill.
Peace
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 17, 2019 - 06:26pm PT
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I agree with Prof Gill
Ez huh?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 17, 2019 - 06:33pm PT
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John Gill
The hotlinked photo is definitely the better one on my big screen
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A Essex
climber
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Apr 17, 2019 - 08:03pm PT
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(Jesus on a tortilla)
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DonC
climber
Bishop and Redlands
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Apr 17, 2019 - 08:08pm PT
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I’m still trying to figure out what the real requirement/ask is, or if it is serious.
If you go to CMac’s profile and check a few of his pictures, he has posted pictures that are credited to others and posted pictures where he takes the credit but clearly did not take. Both now violations.
RJ has posted pictures credited to others.
I guess they could own the rights to these pictures, but I doubt, for example, that Patagonia and Mountain Hardware have signed over the rights to their product pictures.
Shouldn’t they have been the first to clean-up before even posting this notification?
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Loose Rocks
Trad climber
Santa Rosa, CA
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Apr 17, 2019 - 08:14pm PT
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It's his site so he's responsible. He knows what he has rights to and what he doesn't. He likely has permission from the owners. As for your images he hasn't got a clue.
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DonC
climber
Bishop and Redlands
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Apr 17, 2019 - 08:20pm PT
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having permission is different than owning the rights, which is the stated criteria. I think that's one of things that is driving people crazy. You do a route with friend, they give you permission to use their pictures in a trip report - that is now against posting rules.
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Avery
climber
New Zealand
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Apr 17, 2019 - 08:29pm PT
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Looks like I've got a lot of deleting ahead of me.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Apr 17, 2019 - 09:19pm PT
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Really sorry Fritz, Ezra and Nutagain and others. Such a bummer.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Apr 17, 2019 - 09:20pm PT
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A post I made on the other thread: This is an issue that is arising in various places at the present. For instance, the EU is instituting stricter copyright conditions:
"BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Google will have to pay publishers for news snippets and Facebook filter out protected content under new copyright rules aimed at ensuring fair compensation for the European Union’s $1 trillion creative industries."
In a twist and on a personal level, I was contacted a month or so ago by a German media firm that wanted to use a couple of my photos in a short historical video they are creating for a sponsor. I sent them a letter granting permission to use the photos specifically in that work, but that was not good enough. They sent me a lengthy and bizarre form that essentially gave away all rights to them to use the material in any way they wished. I refused to sign it, and have not heard from them since.
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Michael Browder
Mountain climber
Chamonix, France (Oregon originally)
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Apr 18, 2019 - 12:39am PT
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What a bunch of whiners. GO take your toys and play somewhere else. The Supertopo site won't collapse, and frankly is full of a bunch of has-beens living in a romantic California based past that was never reality. Who really cares about your photos over the long term.
CMac's request seems simple and normal. Many internet sites, magazines, etc. state the same.
If you lost a bunch of photos that were your's and correctly posted, then sorry, but WTF did you expect--they'd last forever on some site on the internet? Or that that site would even be there forever?
And if you want to document history, this ain't the place for a permanent record.
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Dickly
Social climber
KY
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Apr 18, 2019 - 05:07am PT
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Did someone fart?
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Apr 18, 2019 - 08:23am PT
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For me, Supertopo has always been a mixed bag, fun, cringeworthy, informative, a great way to connect with my friends and a bell weather for knowing who to avoid in the real world.
I'm in the camp that this whole process was heavy handed and not enough warning/ time given to comply with new regulations. Tarbuster and a couple of others have stated the obvious.
For myself, today the administrator reminds me of William Barr giving his opinions and then redacting the contents of Supertopo.
Lifted from my dictionary..
re·dac·tion
/rəˈdakSH(ə)n/
noun
the process of editing text for publication.
"what was left after the redaction would be virtually useless"
the censoring or obscuring of part of a text for legal or security purposes.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Apr 18, 2019 - 08:51am PT
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I hope for now I won’t need to be deleting much, only some pics uploaded from the internet these past few years, which may take some time. And I’m not planning to ask that my account being deactivated, as of yet, because some people are still posting on the Sheep Buggerers thread.
I only know that my heart is no longer in it here. Thanks for the community, folks. I’ve had that lovin’ feeling in this place.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Apr 18, 2019 - 09:06am PT
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Ha ha!
Good one, Nita.
The very heart of this forum has been redacted.
CMAC & RJ: clearly you guys felt you had to do what you had to do. Regardless, the party is over for so many of us.
Happy trails, everyone.
Roy
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