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apogee
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Feb 10, 2019 - 10:23am PT
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From the 'Shutdown Talks Stalled' link above:
Negotiations reached an impasse Saturday, primarily over detention beds, the source said. Democratic negotiators offered a deal to their Republican counterparts, but Republicans are refusing to negotiate until Democrats take back their demand for a cap on the number of beds, the source added.
Lawmakers are discussing the possibility of a year-long continuing resolution bill but so far discussions have not led to a proposal that both House Democrats and Senate Republicans could get on board with, the source said.
The impasse in negotiations adds pressure on party leaders and the White House, who will have to step in if the conference members can't quickly resolve their differences over detention beds and border barrier funding.
The discussion comes after the longest government shutdown in history. President Donald Trump has insisted for money to fund his border wall, demanding for $5.7 billion. But lawmakers remain at an impasse over how much money to provide to fund the border barrier.
Last week, conservative lawmakers said Trump would accept around $2 billion, but Democrats have so far rejected that amount.
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August West
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Where the wind blows strange
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Feb 11, 2019 - 11:06pm PT
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One thing that has become much clearer to me in the last few years is that that there is a difference between conservatives that vote Republican, the GOP/Republican Party, and Trump supporters.
Sure. When you only have two parties they are going to be broad.
And the republican party rewards the hand that feeds it. They could pass a trillion dollar tax cut for the wealthy but just couldn't figure out how to come up with 5 billion for a wall.
But Trump has taken over the republican party. Voting republican in 2016 in the national elections was futhering Trump.
Fortunately, at least in the House, enough republican, suburban women voted democrat to provide a bigger check on Trump.
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10b4me
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Lida Junction
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Feb 12, 2019 - 07:57am PT
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One thing that has become much clearer to me in the last few years is that that there is a difference between conservatives that vote Republican, the GOP/Republican Party, and Trump supporters. There is a great tendency on the Left to lump them all together, but that is not at all the case- and to try to have a conversation with someone and regard them as all the same is not going to be productive for anyone.
Apogee, but polls show that eighty five percent of republicans support trump.
that's why it's easy to lump them all together.
Anybody see the debacle in El Paso?
trump ramped up the crowd into a frenzy, and caused a BBC cameraman to be attacked. The attacker was shouting "f*#k the media".
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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dirtbag
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Feb 12, 2019 - 08:40am PT
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Rumor has it, Indivudual 1 might not agree to this deal. What a f*#king idiot.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Feb 12, 2019 - 08:50am PT
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yup, Individual One takes his marching orders from Shawn Hannity
we have government by Fox television
the Founding Fathers had so little regard for the uninformed intelligence of the American public in 1776 they made it law that you had to be a white, male, land owner to vote
being white and male meant you were endowed by the creator with exclusive rights
being a land owner meant a good chance you could read and thus be somewhat informed
edit: I think Trump signs the new deal and declares victory
he knows his poll numbers dropped badly during the last shutdown especially when
La Guardia airport starting delaying and cancelling flights, the shiit hit the fan
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August West
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Where the wind blows strange
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Feb 12, 2019 - 04:51pm PT
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Rumor has it, Indivudual 1 might not agree to this deal. What a f*#king idiot.
Individual 1 is far more interested in having a fight than getting to a deal.
It is keeping attention away from Mueller.
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divad
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wmass
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2019 - 08:18am PT
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WH waiting for approval from Hannity and Coulter...
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Feb 13, 2019 - 06:34pm PT
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The New Green Deal - simplified
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apogee
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Feb 14, 2019 - 11:46am PT
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'Let’s all pray': Congress moves to prevent another shutdown
It's still unknown whether Trump will sign the bill.
By SARAH FERRIS and JOHN BRESNAHAN 02/14/2019 01:32 PM EST Updated 02/14/2019 02:04 PM EST
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/14/spending-bill-vote-government-shutdown-1170006
Congress faces a critical test Thursday as both chambers will vote on a giant funding deal that would temporarily end a long-running border dispute and avert another humiliating government shutdown.
The $328 billion package — which funds one-quarter of the government — is the result of roughly two weeks of frenetic talks between Democratic and Republican negotiators from both chambers.
Top GOP spending leaders insist they’ve kept close contact with the White House throughout the talks but have offered no promise that President Donald Trump would back the measure.
This is what it's come down to for Republicans...prayer that their Party's leader will be able to scrape enough sh#t from his brain to do something that benefits someone else besides himself.
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Jon Beck
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Feb 14, 2019 - 11:50am PT
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Trump will sign it, but not before he makes a spectacle out of announcing his decision. An attention whore is going to leverage maximum attention. On the other hand he might be so humiliated by Hannity and Coulter that he signs it on friday evening in secret. The Narcissist's Dilemma
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dirtbag
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Feb 14, 2019 - 12:28pm PT
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So, he is going to sign it but declare a national emergency. Bring on the lawsuits.
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apogee
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Feb 14, 2019 - 12:34pm PT
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Funding bill includes new limits on Trump’s immigration crackdown
By TED HESSON 02/14/2019 02:26 PM EST
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/14/funding-bill-limits-trump-immigration-1175455
The bipartisan homeland security spending bill released early Thursday pushes back on aspects of President Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown — even while providing $1.4 billion for border barriers and nearly 5,000 additional beds to detain undocumented immigrants.
Tucked into the 1,159-page bill are provisions that limit Trump’s ability to round up undocumented immigrants and that increase oversight of the officers who carry out those sweeps. On the border, restrictions on barrier construction will bar the administration from erecting fences on several large properties in South Texas, including a butterfly sanctuary and a historic Catholic church.
The bill ignores the Trump administration’s request to fund 750 additional Border Patrol agents, according to a Democratic summary of the measure and a joint explanatory statement. Additionally, it ignores the administration’s request for 2,000 more Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers.
The legislation amounts to a subtle rejection of Trump’s aggressive enforcement tactics — a needling that reflects the new power dynamic since Democrats took control of the House in January.
If this is what's in the bill that's being put in front of him, not too surprising he might sign it then declare the NE.
Or maybe his NE bluster is just a bluff...that's certainly his style, too. Hard to tell when you're dealing with a sociopath.
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divad
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wmass
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2019 - 12:37pm PT
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The national emergency is that his ego is endangered..
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apogee
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Feb 14, 2019 - 12:41pm PT
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It's an interesting strategy....he's been getting hammered by the GOP that they aren't going to support another shutdown, because that's going to splash sh#t all over them big time. Yet Trump wants his wall more than another Mar-a-Lago, so he's going to do whatever he can to make it happen.
Declaring a NE (even if it fails in court) gives political cover to the GOP by averting a shutdown, and allows Trump to show his base that he's making good on his promise. Even if the NE gets tossed out of court, he looks good to his base for trying.
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dirtbag
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Feb 14, 2019 - 02:05pm PT
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^^^Crap. That again? That deadline is far more perilous. There are now numerous cranks in republican circles who actually believe a default is no biggie.
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divad
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wmass
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2019 - 03:18pm PT
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There are now numerous cranks in republican circles who actually believe a default is no biggie.
except when a democrat is president..
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