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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 28, 2018 - 01:08pm PT
Come on Wayne...Sudbury is pretty sweet, and then there is Medicine Hat!
clifff

Mountain climber
golden, rollin hills of California
Sep 28, 2018 - 01:51pm PT
Try northern California:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&biw=1600&bih=837&ei=b5CuW9mhCe7n5gKqiprIBQ&q=land+for+sale+in+northern+california+by+owner&oq=land+for+sale+in+northern+california+by+owner&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0..5410...0.0..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz.igMxQCOXTZU

40 acres by Mt Shasta:

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/CA/pmf,pf_pt/2090586041_zpid/9_rid/owner-financing-_att/globalrelevanceex_sort/43.123039,-119.610901,40.096983,-124.532776_rect/7_zm/
Mei

Trad climber
mxi2000.net
Sep 28, 2018 - 03:59pm PT
Interesting. formerclimber, I scanned your replies quickly and was most shocked to find out that you are a "she" not "he". I definitely have a certain gender stereotype in my mind and would have never guessed that you are a woman. Without getting into details (and risking being politically incorrect), let me just say you have my respect for your vision.

Talk about your vision...

 a rural house with 2 acres of land
 I'd like to live simple life, do small farming, few goats and birds, big vegetable gardens, things to make me food-independent.
 wild tall growing grasses, no manicured lawns, wildflowers growing tall everywhere, beautiful nature mess,
I don't mean to cherrypick, but those are a few things that stood out in my mind. Sorry if you've mentioned this already that I missed, but have you ever lived your vision anywhere?

In my observation, usually being food-independent takes a village, or at the minimum, a family. There is a reason why rural developing regions prefer having boys because living a food-independent life (for many, not by choice) demands strong and ample labor.

Wild tall growing grasses need attention as well because they can quickly become fire hazard in a dry season.

The upkeeping of a house, esp. a rural house, and acreage where labor help is scarce, can sometimes be overwhelming, esp. for a lone woman. (Yeah, I'm no feminist.)

I don't mean to be a nay-sayer. I just wonder if you are already experienced with the vision you had in mind for your future, in which you are destined to grow older.

It's not about me, but I will give you an example. Before I moved to the house (in a fairly remote area skirting the SF Bay Area), I had the romantic vision of me working in the big vegetable garden and looking out the yard with a view of redwood trees. Well, it didn't take long for me to find out that all plants die on me, and more importantly, I actually have little interest in gardening. The remoteness adds 45 minutes one way to everything I do -- it sucks to always have to do an extra minimum 45 minute drive after I drop off everyone after a long climbing trip before I can even reach the comfort of home. While I promised my cats that I'll see them through in this cat heaven, I do plan to move back to a tiny apartment (I don't need much either) that is close to my activities (work, climbing, dancing) afterwards. (Edit: No, not in a big city. Never SF for sure.)

Until you've lived it, a vision remains a vision and reality can be very different.

One last thing, you mentioned you were bipolar. Could there be any chance that you also had/have depression? (No need to answer me/here.) One's mental state can also affect his/her outlook on life too, something I try to self-examine frequently.

Oh, maybe just one more thing. All studies have pointed out that social isolation is not healthy for an aging mind (think dementia and Alzheimer, etc). Loners beware, maybe?
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 06:47pm PT
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Ecuador&country2=United+States

Ecuador is an increasingly popular choice for American ex-pats. You sure you want to tackle the cold winters in Russia? Especially if you are bi-polar, winter cabin fever will make it worse. As you get older, the cold is harder to take.
SilverSnurfer

Mountain climber
SLC, UT.
Sep 28, 2018 - 07:02pm PT
//And if I had a boat
I'd go out on the ocean
And if I had a pony
I'd ride him on my boat
And we could all together
Go out on the ocean
I said me upon my pony on my boat//

I know a fair number of people who live much closer to the land and natural rhythms in rural Alaska-some inland, some coastal. All of these ways of living are what we make of them.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 08:18pm PT
Ecuador is an increasingly popular choice for American ex-pats. You sure you want to tackle the cold winters in Russia? Especially if you are bi-polar, winter cabin fever will make it worse. As you get older, the cold is harder to take.

I gave South America a thought before.... several things:
 I don't speak any Spanish, would need to learn yet another new language....I could probably learn Czech because it's close to Russian, but Spanish is a whole different story...English was painful enough.

 safety....Equador is probably isn't more dangerous than Russia (Russia does have very high murder rate), but it's a big plus if you can visually blend with the locals, speak the language like a native and are able to instantly catch on the signs of GFO. If you live on the cheap, you'll live like the locals and deal with local crime full on. And if you want guarded, safe life like in a gated community, etc, you'll have to pay something like US pricing for everything, I think.... I recall a Russian American who bought a villa in Belize for 200K....next thing local mafia showed up and told to pay another 100K "for protection"....or else.

 treatment of women isn't the best (well-known catcalling problems, etc).

 headache of getting a residency permit
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 08:25pm PT
Try northern California:
...

40 acres by Mt Shasta:
..

Anything around Mt Shasta is well outside my price range :)) I'm very familiar with Mt Shasta and entire North Cal region real estate, had stayed in Siskiyou, Butte, Trinity counties before... Everything, even around Alturas area, is crazy expensive now. Anything not too expensive: they won't let you do what you want on the lot, build McMansion or camp < 6 months, no farm animals, all got CC&R. And water is deep....well alone can run 30K. Lots are expensive, their development is extra pricy too because the area is full of rich SF folks willing to pay.... And anywhere north of Mt Shasta: a person with asthma can't live there, long wildfire smoke events. They don't put out the fires in Klamath forests, let them burn till the fall when rains put them out.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 08:33pm PT
Former Climber - try Canada. But not in the cities.

Good luck getting a permit to live in Canada now if you're over 40 and not a rich enterpreneur...for that matter even over 30 is very hard now. And I mean in any province. They overhauled point system in 2015, it got worse.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 08:36pm PT
I would wager the "empty villages" and abandoned areas of Russia are likely not 'safe' either.

That's what I would think...but I know one woman who lives there and swears otherwise. Of course, at least one big vicious dog is a requirement...


Sounds like you want rural/frontier living but with modern conveniences like grid electricity, high speed Internet access and 'safety'... for cheap.

If you find it, please let me know where. Promise I won't tell!
In Russia, electricity is everywhere pretty much, in all kinds of remote villages, and service is good. Internet situation isn't that good, but one can get satellite. A lot of wireless coverage too.

I didn't mean the bipolar thing as a jab... not at all... I just meant that if you have a serious mental condition, uprooting yourself to a foreign place with no social ties probably isn't the best idea.

Oh I'd lived 22 years of nomadic lifestyle, always uprooted and "homeless", there's nothing new to me here.

What about saving up for an extended off-the-grid 'vacation'? True isolation... tent, boots, pack. A month or two of hiking might do some good. There are plenty of places you can still get lost for that amount of time.
Did a lot of that, I lived years out of the car and a tent :)) Need to make the remoteness part permanent, plus the dwelling.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 08:41pm PT
It's troubling that you can't figure out what the above means.

It means you can move as much as you want, as far as you want; you will still have the same brain with all the same problems, you will still be bipolar, with all the problems that carries. You can't outrun it. It doesn't get filtered out by a visa or a border. A different culture exposure doesn't fix it.

Oh I assure you I can figure out what bipolar means, but it's troubling people can't figure out the difference between "bipolar" and "the cost of living per country". These are not related concepts. Oh, even assuming someone hoped to leave medical problems behind somehow (which wasn't stated anywhere, this is solely your conjecture)....at least they'd leave the cost of US medical care behind.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 09:02pm PT
Interesting. formerclimber, I scanned your replies quickly and was most shocked to find out that you are a "she" not "he". I definitely have a certain gender stereotype in my mind and would have never guessed that you are a woman. Without getting into details (and risking being politically incorrect), let me just say you have my respect for your vision.
LOL. I've been an engineer in top US firm too, until recently....certainly took to go against the grain in the male dominated industry. If only job interviews and work had been anonymous, like the the message board....oh well.

Talk about your vision...

a rural house with 2 acres of land
I'd like to live simple life, do small farming, few goats and birds, big vegetable gardens, things to make me food-independent.
wild tall growing grasses, no manicured lawns, wildflowers growing tall everywhere, beautiful nature mess,
I don't mean to cherrypick, but those are a few things that stood out in my mind. Sorry if you've mentioned this already that I missed, but have you ever lived your vision anywhere?

Yep, that's pretty much Russian country side....I grew up near a village and sometimes lived off the forest and vegetable garden, during hungry times.
The only downside of having a small farm is being dead-tied to the place. Can't leave and travel....animals need to be fed, garden need to be taken care of (and guarded!)...plus, in Russia house is likely to get robbed if left alone empty....

In my observation, usually being food-independent takes a village, or at the minimum, a family. There is a reason why rural developing regions prefer having boys because living a food-independent life (for many, not by choice) demands strong and ample labor.


Yes and no....In Russia, many people are almost fully food-independent on their very small plots of land, just takes low demands. And often they got no money for anything else! $150-$200 pension is common sole income...gets spent on stuff like firewood and home repairs. Especially in the Southern region with rich soils and 2 harvests per year. They do buy flour, rice, millet, sugar somewhere else, though. I personally don't expect (or want) to be fully food independent and grow all own own "cocoa, tea, all fruit, nuts, flour", but stuff like milk products, eggs, poultry, honey, vegetables, berries and fruit can be done on your own.

Wild tall growing grasses need attention as well because they can quickly become fire hazard in a dry season.

Oh yes, painful topic...in Russia nobody cares and a lot of houses do burn down. People practice "burn down" grass elimination method (outside villages). They start 2 lines of fire and make them meet, burning/clearning all in-between (this is now illegal, but they still do it) However, not many dry regions there....in some places people literally harvest potatoes from the boats, grass fire isn't too lilkely there...Nobody bothers to cut grass...goats and cows eat a lot of though.

The upkeeping of a house, esp. a rural house, and acreage where labor help is scarce, can sometimes be overwhelming, esp. for a lone woman. (Yeah, I'm no feminist.)
Oh, I'm a feminist, not sure why not be one. In Russia, I do know women who do this alone. In fact, some people in Russia (pension age) do this because this is the only way to have something to eat! And those who are not alone mostly got fist-fighting drunks for a husband in rural areas, hahaha, not much use, expect in terms of knowing to find where vodka is! I live my whole life alone and is dead set in my ways, especially" in my old age". :)

I did own rural properties in the US in the past. It's a wonderful but pricey thing here. You mentioned about you going back to a small apartment, SF....I can't even drive into big cities and I go nuts in any kind of apartment or city locations, one reason why I started to live out of the car many years ago and just lived in National Parks and Forests, hate cities they make me sick. Not sure how people handle all the crowds, cars, smog and noise...

One last thing, you mentioned you were bipolar. Could there be any chance that you also had/have depression? (No need to answer me/here.) One's mental state can also affect his/her outlook on life too, something I try to self-examine frequently.

Of course I do have depression, and it doesn't respond to any medications, neither I can tolerate side effects from them. I have it all my life. The only thing that really works for depression is living in a tent, the colder the better. I love snow camping. In the past, I'd rent 3K/month houses on Airbnb and just sleep in a tent in the backyard, when I needed internet/office for remote work....


Oh, maybe just one more thing. All studies have pointed out that social isolation is not healthy for an aging mind (think dementia and Alzheimer, etc). Loners beware, maybe?
Yes, it's not healthy, but I think it's on case by case basis....I'm a hermit. I do study a lot of stuff all the time, this should protect from Alzheimers. But I think hermits are well equipped to live until 100 years old if they live out there in clean nature and are forced to always tinker with something on their own, forced to get up and move around. Worst thing is lack of motion and lack of mental stiumation.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 09:26pm PT
My old college roommate teaches at a small university in the midwestern corn belt located in a smallish town of 15,000 people surrounded by endless agriculture. You can buy a decent house there for $25k, a nice place for $70k, and a really, really nice place for $150k. Most of the homes on the market there are under $130k, I'd guess the median home price is $70k. An old four-square style two-story farm house on a few acres five miles out of the city would be very cheap there.

It's a college town, so there is culture and amenities, of course good internet due to the Univ, it's a reasonable 1hr drive to larger cities with almost anything you would ever need and you can be in really big cities within 3hrs if you need an international airport or something of that nature. Obviously the climate and conditions are prime for agriculture, growing food would be easy enough. It gets hot in the summer for a month or so, like almost everywhere else in the US, but has cold winters, plenty of water, and nobody is going to care if you have some animals and a garden - unless your house was "in town" you would stick out more if you didn't have animals and grow crops.

There are many similar towns in this area of the country, all across Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri. They are not exciting places if you are seeking "mountain sports", but there are ample outdoor recreation opportunities, the towns are "lively" with good food, music, pubs and that sort of thing, and it's very cheap and easy living with low crime.

Yes, I've know of quiet small towns with 70K decent houses and very close to National Forests (not in CA, of course!)....I've been there and done that, owned a house in a peaceful small town. Not my cup of tea. People are too close to each other, I can't handle this. Too much noise, dogs bark too close, heavy air pollution from stoves (and they burn trash in them too) almost year round, no privacy (and in many places people in such towns are actually opposed to any fences, they want their "view" and their kids/dogs to run through your back yard, talking about much of Midwest, exactly where it's cheaper!!), nosy neibours...and obsession with Roundup toxic lawns and insane 2 inch grass that looks atrocious. No goats allowed, etc.
I like Minnesota for example...some neat towns in the Northeastern part, almost inside National Forests, but the inch-high lawns, the lack of fences in town...no privacy. If you move in and put up a fence...they'll be mad at you, they're mad even at locals for the same thing. And any lot in-town probably had tons of herbicide poured all over, kind of scary to grow veggies...

I do want to go and look at Northern Arkansas homes on 2-5+ acre lots... pretty cheap there, National Forest nearby, all green and hilly. They did trash a lot of cheap Eastern US parts by fracking now, unfortunately....got to look on county-by-county basis, away from any shale. I thought of WV earlier, some OK cheaper homes on 5 acres...but good luck with all the fracking and pipelines. You buy today, tomorrow wake up next to a compressor station.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 09:39pm PT
There are rural parts of Washington with very reasonable real estate and in Eastern Washington the sun actually shines! Our very own Wayno lives there. It is waaaay better than the Midwest.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 09:43pm PT
There are rural parts of Washington with very reasonable real estate and in Eastern Washington the sun actually shines! Our very own Wayno lives there. It is waaaay better than the Midwest.

I know Eastern WA pretty well too....talking about Pend'O'Reille county and Colville area. Stunningly beautiful and perfect climate in my book, but these parts are quite expensive now too...way outside my range. A fixer house on 5 acres, on grid with fiber internet and questionable well and septic, will be well over 100K, same for small towns. A lot of old RVs are listed as homes on MLS...Or did you mean Southeastern WA? (not familiar in detail but very barren landscapes and area of intensive agriculture with a lot of pesticide pollution)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 09:46pm PT
A friend just sold her 5 acres with a nice big house 5 miles from Tonasket for $200K,
pretty damn cheap if you ask me. $20K per acre is pretty standard anywhere decent.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 09:56pm PT
One bad thing about situation Russia is that during the last 8 years, a lot of totalitarian laws had been adopted (or started to get enforced).... I was there 8 years ago and it was more or less a free country, albeit high crime; it's amazing how freedoms can be stripped off in such a short time and no one is objecting.

Lots of unreasonable laws now, such as anyone with even a very small debt that's not in good standing....isn't allowed to leave the country. And one can easily become indebted through some numerous crooks or very rampant identity theft.
To get a driver's license one has to have all kinds of medical evaluations, a drug test, psychiatric evaluation, not to mention whole 3 months of busy "driving school". If you move, you have to fly to a place where you moved from and order paperwork/records from there in person.
To get a cellphone need to present a passport, same to get any internet connection, so that any activity is trackable by the government. People get arrested for "likes" and reposts in social networks...for stuff like a joke about religion or political meme, get thrown in jail, all bank accounts frozen and then get thrown in psych hospital for lengthy sanity "evaluation". While violence had been decriminalized...not really a crime anymore if you hit someone and there's no lasting damage.
A lot of stuff like that and it's been getting crazier by the year. I'll definitely give this move a heavy thought...
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 10:16pm PT
A friend just sold her 5 acres with a nice big house 5 miles from Tonasket for $200K,
pretty damn cheap if you ask me. $20K per acre is pretty standard anywhere decent.

Yeah, that's about my whole savings...unaffordable for me. As to home size: most homes on US market are very large, extremely hard to find something cabin-sized and having water/septic and good for year-round occupation, at the same time. In the Eastern states, a home on 5 acres can go for something like 80K even now, I think...I see them on MLS, but it's hard to tell what the defects might be.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 28, 2018 - 10:25pm PT
Так много глупость там час.
Mei

Trad climber
mxi2000.net
Sep 28, 2018 - 10:29pm PT
Thanks for taking the time to reply and I appreciate your openness.

The only downside of having a small farm is being dead-tied to the place.
In a sense, you become a slave to your "place." Will you be happy that way?

Oh, I'm a feminist, not sure why not be one.
My gut feel tells me that you are a genuine one. You asked a good question and I can only speak for myself. I know I can never be a feminist without pretense because I hire a yard helper (never met a woman on that "job" market) to do heavy lifting yard work for me, and because I normally hoped, and sometimes asked, my male climbing partner to carry a little more weight than me in his pack so I can keep up on the hike, and so on.

In Russia, I do know women who do this alone. In fact, some people in Russia (pension age) do this because this is the only way to have something to eat! And those who are not alone mostly got fist-fighting drunks for a husband in rural areas, hahaha, not much use, expect in terms of knowing to find where vodka i
By the sound of it, none of these women were happy, but happiness might not be what you were after?

Worst thing is lack of motion and lack of mental stimulation.
Yeah, that's the typical depression for ya. So, you don't have that problem? Wait...

Of course I do have depression, and it doesn't respond to any medications, neither I can tolerate side effects from them. I have it all my life.
That's what I suspected from first time reading your posts. There are some strong anecdotes from individuals about an unconventional way of beating depression. Here are two quite respectable/credible individuals sharing their own experience. Posting in case you are willing to put in a last ditch effort.
Joe Rogan Experience #1139 - Jordan Peterson (Here is the full interview)
Joe Rogan Experience #1164 - Mikhaila Peterson

I'll definitely give this move a heavy thought...
Didn't know your thoughts so far have been light. I need to fix my scale.

In all seriousness, you are one unique lady. Best of luck to you!


Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 28, 2018 - 10:44pm PT
You have convinced me. There is no place in America for you, nor any country in the world outside Mother Russia.
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