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JLP
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The internet
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Anyway, both economies needs the fuel of consumers. No - they need the fuel of natural resources to make things - for the consumers.
The pie is fixed to slightly increasing due to technology and increased efficiencies in extraction - but the number of people who want a piece of it grows exponentially and globally.
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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I wonder what kind of hours those dock workers are working? If it is 12 hours with a "Hot turnover" then I can see some big money there. 8 hours at straight time+4 hours at time and a half+at least a half hour at double time. That is just week days, weekends is where it is at! It takes a special kind of person to be willing and qualified to work those jobs but they are out there. Usually just 6 days a week with foremen getting both weekend days and worker ants have to take one of them off.
Those dock workers might be earning that money:-)
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Go spend a day hanging out at the Port of Long Beach/LA. Those guys and gals are earning their money.
Of course, in America the idea of rewarding hard work is unknown. Only Wall Street hustlers deserve to make big bucks.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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You spent a day watching dock workers work? How cute.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Of course, in America the idea of rewarding hard work is unknown. Only Wall Street hustlers deserve to make big bucks.
...and union reps. Of course.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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...and union reps. Of course.
You obviously don't know any. They don't make a ton of money.
Now union EXECUTIVES.....
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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California Teachers association president was making $229,000 per year in 2009. But that number has gone up from what Ive heard....
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dave: You spent a day watching dock workers work? How cute.
I worked at the port of Long Beach. It wasn't cute. It was a very interesting place. You have no idea how the docks work, yet you seem to have made up your mind that the longshoremen aren't worth their pay.
Ken M: Now union EXECUTIVES.....
I can only speak for the baker's union, but corporate executives make a whole lot more than the international union president.
But people would rather see those that pillage the economy rake in obscene amounts of money than see those that create the economy get their fair share.
It's quite strange. Why do so many Americans, including American workers, despise American workers so much?
chainsaw: California Teachers association president was making $229,000 per year in 2009. But that number has gone up from what Ive heard....
The typical CEO at the biggest U.S. companies got an 8.5% raise last year, raking in $11.5 million in salary, stock and other compensation last year, according to a study by executive data firm Equilar for The Associated Press. That’s the biggest raise in three years. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/05/23/ceo-pay-highest-paid-chief-executive-officers-2016/339079001/
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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scumbags celebrating the sabotage of their economy That was funny. They went there with the story already in mind and it looks to me that they failed to find it.
I clicked through quickly and noted a complete lack of carbon fiber. I would estimate those boats value in the range of $5-20k, hardly what the elite anywhere are riding in - running on 1 cent per liter of gas...
Love the comment about the expense and lack of availability of drinking water - so they're drinking wheat bear instead- with no bathrooms. Sign me up. Bunch of 3rd world savages. Latin America is giant hell hole only a small step ahead of Africa.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Certainly society should be training people for the changes to come, but again, we'd rather finance the money pit called the Pentagon than spend it on education.
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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California Teachers association president was making $229,000 per year in 2009
The lowest-paid CEO in the Silicon Valley in the crummiest little low-life start-em-up makes at least $280K per annum. And a PLM (product line manager) at Google, Amazon or HP makes $495K per annum plus perks. Now if you're talking about a VP at a Fortune 500 company, you're moving into a whole other league of robber baron paychecks. I've been on floors of buildings where nobody in the room would even fart for less than a dollar-and-a-quarter per hour.
Union executives are small fry in the rape and pillage salaries industry. I think the outrage is just because the lower level employee is so well insulated from what's going on in the tiers above him/her while he's trying to scrape by on less. That's where political resentments grow on trees.
It's all relative to how high up the feeding chain you're situated.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Of concern for students and parents should be the wages for executives in the UC/CSU system. This is getting out of control. Deans at the UC system have a floor salary of $165K and--get this--a ceiling of $580K! Over half a million bucks + massive bennies no doubt for a dean at a UC. And the administrative ranks are growing like cancer. Check out this table re. UC:
The chancellor of my old district was pulling in about $300K + bennies. Sorry, it's a tough job, but it ain't THAT tough. The argument is that schools must pay that much to compete with the private sector--as if most of these folks could just throw out a resume and start making that kind of money. I call BS.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Can't disagree with anything you wrote. If the nation won't do it, then workers, rather than they are union slugs, management drones or small business men need to do it.
Yet, something has to band all these people together.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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And a PLM (product line manager) at Google, Amazon or HP makes $495K per annum plus perks. No...
Salary.com is pretty good, used by HR at our Fortune 500 company, and many others.
In a campus of 1-2k at the largest of companies, less than single handful will be getting that kind of money, and even then it will be after bonus time. If they're not earning it - poof - they'll be shown the door.
Supply and demand applies to all the levels. Supply exceeds demand more at the lower levels.
The reality is the little guys enjoy being jealous and pissed off, so a fantasy is created to feed it. Foxnews.com.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Certainly society should be training people for the changes to come, but again, we'd rather finance the money pit called the Pentagon than spend it on education.
You mean Education Inc.? Let's face it, higher ed has become less about education and more about $$$$ and ribbon-cutting ceremonies going on 30-plus years now. You seen those state salaries?
And, frankly, despite my pro-public sector position on unions, I would love nothing more than to see K-12 teacher's unions busted, broken, demolished, turned to dust--and $100k for 180 day's work teachers forced to reapply for their jobs after demonstrating they have a friggin clue. Many do. But far too many don't.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Lituya:
Lots to be unhappy about with our edu-system, but the wages you speak of only happen at the upper end of the college/university scale, a real minority of teachers.
This average teacher salary map from the Washington Post:
Just a little reality check.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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"I worked at the port of Long Beach. It wasn't cute. It was a very interesting place. You have no idea how the docks work, yet you seem to have made up your mind that the longshoremen aren't worth their pay."
Who said I had no idea how docks work, and who said I had made up my mind about longshoreman and their pay?
Anyone who does real work deserves real pay.
I spent 2 years in coal mines and have worked 12 years now in a metal mine, all underground. Most guys (and gals) I work with make good money and do fine work - nonunion, thank the lord.
Not too many places left where someone with a GED and a prison record can make 6 figures, but many of the places I've worked you still can.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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@xCon:
Good question, although a multitude of examples abound of very highly paid private sector CEO's who almost ruined their companies and retired with obscene severance packages. A lot of weird shiz out there. The problem with the public sector is that it's other people's money. There is generally no tax payers' representative at the negotiating table. I simply find it impossible to imagine, for example, that my previous district couldn't find a very capable executive to do the chancelor's job for, I don't know, $200K + bennies? We all know, too, that American executives tend to be way overpaid, too, at least in comparing them to almost every other developed country.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Just a little reality check.
Bad, you've either, a.) never worked in K-12 and are uninformed; or, b.) are a teacher's union member and deliberately misinforming.
The map you posted is based on state pay only and excludes district, tri, board cert., benefits like insurance coverage, and a taxpayer-funded pension that no one in the private sector has.
In any event, get rid of the teacher's union and pay a good teacher what they're worth--far more than $100k. Especially a good STEM educator. Pay the adequate ones what they're worth--far, far less. Fire the rest.
There is generally no tax payers' representative at the negotiating table.
And if this isn't bad enough, most liberal states--like the one I live in--have a Democrat Governor, Democrat Legislature, and partisan Supreme Court that are bought and paid for by the teacher's union. The sky is the limit--just raise taxes on the janitor, carpenter, sales rep,coal miner, and grandma's house! It's "for the kids" don't ya know? :rolleyes:
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