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thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 4, 2017 - 07:48pm PT
heart of an angel, cynicism of an orchid. damnit dude.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Dec 4, 2017 - 08:16pm PT
I agree with a spending freeze until the budget is close to being balanced.

However with a tax cut with about 40% of it going to the 0.1% who are already getting record levels of income inequality, I don't think we are going to get anywhere near balanced anytime soon.

All this talk of conspiracies among the media, illuminati, etc. when the elephant in the room is the billionaires and their financial control of many politicians on both side of the aisle (but by their actions Republicans are obviously worse)...
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 4, 2017 - 09:09pm PT
I'm all for increased government spending that can a logical person can see how it generates future prosperity of our society. That is an investment, not just pissing away money.

Yes, because God forbid an individual hold economic freedom in his or her own hands. Revealing. And more evidence American liberals prefer the rule of the unelected bureaucrat to the invisible hand. The arrogance in the quote above goes to the root of the angst here vis a vis Trump.

Liberals lost an election via our constitutional process. Their arrogance and misplaced moral certainty and need to be loved won't let them admit this defeat was either the result of, a.) bad ideas; or, b.) a bad candidate. So they pout. And they scream like little children. Russians! Collusion! Before or after election day? Cuz first it was before, but now it's after? The Logan Act, I say!! Funny, because American liberals spent the better part of the 20th century knobbing the russian system and now they're just grasping at nothing. Oh dear, we lost. And it just couldn't be us.

Sure, Trump is a buffoon. Ain't democracy a bitch.
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 4, 2017 - 09:39pm PT
Oh dear, yet another grad student halfway toward another worthless MA. Well aware of externalities.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 4, 2017 - 09:50pm PT
Romeny had this to say, after Trump whole-heartedly endorsed Moore today: ""Roy Moore in the US Senate would be a stain on the GOP and on the nation. Leigh Corfman and other victims are courageous heroes. No vote, no majority is worth losing our honor, our integrity."
zBrown

Ice climber
Dec 4, 2017 - 09:52pm PT


And I want to say this to the television audience. I made my mistakes. But in all of my years of public life, I have never profited - never profited from public service. I've earned every cent. And in all of my years of public life, I have never obstructed justice.
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 4, 2017 - 10:16pm PT
Yep, I nailed it. Sad that programs like yours are diluting the efforts--past and present--of legitimate universities that still insist on academic rigor. Good luck with your activism.
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 4, 2017 - 10:39pm PT
Not presuming anything, except you came across as presumptuous about my knowledge of Smith--so I returned the favor. If you're prepping students to compete in the marketplace, more power to you
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 4, 2017 - 11:27pm PT
Nope, just you. And your mail-order degree. ;-

Merry Christmas to you too.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 5, 2017 - 02:36am PT
It's not right vs left, it's a straight up case of treason.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 5, 2017 - 05:04am PT
Call me a whiny Lib all day long. You remember the childhood retort to those who bully? "I'm rubber and you're....?"


Top of the morning Supertopians! Today we begin the coverage of the Trash Removal Process with a report that Duetsche Bank has received their holiday present a few days early.

What do you get a man(for corporations are people, no?) who has everything?

A SUBPOENA!

Thanks You Santa Mueller. I don't need anything for myself this year. You just keep doling it out to those who really NEED it!
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 5, 2017 - 11:59am PT

Funny thing about Smith's 'invisible hand'.

Many econ101 grads get him wrong. They think Smith was telling us that self-interests nonetheless tend to benefit society. But what Smith was actually saying is that import restrictions were unnecessary because locals preferred to buy from fellow local merchants anyhow, rather than from foreigners. Nonetheless, Smith's view was imperfect, since many people will pay for the thing that's on sale irrespective of where it's made, when for several reasons, they should probably be paying for the thing that costs 3-times as much.

And Shakespeare's 'the invisible hand' seems rather prescient. We find out that Macbeth's self-interest was his down-fall. It ended-up destroying those who supported it, with no benefit to society.

The 'invisible hand' is a metaphor for the failure of greedy self-interested design. You could stop using it





Yikes! The state of on-line education is even worse than I feared. Of course, with a 21% degree completion rate, I suppose the damage is limited. Two words, padwan: Lecture Hall.
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Dec 5, 2017 - 12:34pm PT
Lituya’s supposed last post on November 27:

It’s been fun, but this site ain’t a place for sane people.


So you can’t help coming back to StuporTorpor because you have something oh so important to share with us crazies; ad hominem attacks, that’s it?




And you think you’re some kind of Obi Wan???

Two words, padwan:

Ha Ha
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 5, 2017 - 12:41pm PT
The pussy-grabber now fully supports the Pedophile & the RNC just climbed into the moral gutter with them. Why am I not surprised?

President Trump's endorsement of Alabama Senate nominee Roy Moore on Monday prompted the Republican National Committee and a pro-Trump super PAC to re-enter the state, boosting a candidate who had been largely cut off by his party.

Senate Republican leaders remained critical of Moore on Monday, warning that the former judge is likely to face an immediate ethics probe if he is elected next week. But the America First Action super PAC, following Trump's lead, announced that it would spent $1.1 million to elect Moore, while the RNC said it was returning to the field after pulling out in mid-November.

The divergent attitudes toward Moore, who has been accused of making unwanted sexual advances toward teenage girls when he was in his 30s, underscored how polarizing a figure he would be among his party's national leaders if he wins the Dec. 12 special election.
Mitt Romney, the 2012 GOP presidential nominee and a potential Senate contender in Utah next year, wrote on Twitter that Moore becoming a senator "would be a stain on the GOP and on the nation."
Moore retorted that Romney had either "lost his courage or he doesn't care about truth anymore."

Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), who said he has already voted by write-in absentee ballot for an unnamed "distinguished Republican" who is not Moore, said in an interview Monday that he fears Moore's political style would not serve his state or the nation well.

"I think that he's thrived on controversy, and I don't believe anybody can thrive on controversy forever and not get burned up by it," Shelby said.
He added, "I don't believe that Roy Moore, if he was elected to the Senate, and he might be, would work in the Senate — I don't mean to go along to get along, I'm talking about to build the nation, build the state, at least as a lot of people believe we ought to do."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rnc-to-support-roy-moore-in-senate-race-in-alabama-weeks-after-cutting-ties-with-his-campaign/ar-BBGePCU?li=BBnb7Kz
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 5, 2017 - 01:53pm PT
He'll be elected. Because the shepherds of the flock(RNC) told the sheep to follow him. And they did that because Trump voiced his support.

And they will vote for him with the explanation that "there's no proof, and that it was so long ago" or, for the more hyped up folks, that it is simply a witch hunt."

Someone said Trump could put a baby in an oven and people would still follow his lead. I have to admit that I think that is probably true.

Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Dec 5, 2017 - 02:23pm PT
Racism, fundamentalism, fear and propaganda: An insider explains why rural, white Christian America will never change

The real problem isn’t east coast elites who don’t understand or care about rural America. The real problem is rural America doesn’t understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out. They don’t want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because they don’t want to admit it is in large part because of choices they’ve made and horrible things they’ve allowed themselves to believe.

Since facts and reality don’t matter, nothing you say to them will alter their beliefs. “President Obama was born in Kenya, is a secret member of the Muslim Brotherhood who hates white Americans and is going to take away their guns.” I feel ridiculous even writing this, it is so absurd, but it is gospel across large swaths of rural America.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/racism-fundamentalism-fear-and-propaganda-an-insider-explains-why-rural-white-christian-america-will-never-change/

Alabama will vote next week, rural, white, Christian Fundamentalist will vote to elect a conspiracy theory spouting same tribe member who has been accused by numerous women including children, and Alabama will very likely put him in the Senate because their tribe is Republican and absolutely nothing will change their ignorant, racist, minds, imo
dirtbag

climber
Dec 5, 2017 - 02:28pm PT
This republican did the right thing:

Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 5, 2017 - 04:58pm PT
@Norton . . . after owning both a mortgage company and title company and originating, processing and closing thousands of residential mortgages of all kinds . . .

BTW, Norton, thanks for 2008!!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Dec 5, 2017 - 05:32pm PT
Lituya...your house under water...?
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Dec 5, 2017 - 06:03pm PT
Lituya, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt to be a person writing with sincerity about your viewpoints, even if the delivery sounds more like a paid pot-stirrer. You said:

Yes, because God forbid an individual hold economic freedom in his or her own hands. Revealing. And more evidence American liberals prefer the rule of the unelected bureaucrat to the invisible hand. The arrogance in the quote above goes to the root of the angst here vis a vis Trump.

I will focus on two of the many emotional appeals designed to bypass a rational consideration:
1. "Economic 'freedom' in his or her own hands"- plays to the stereotypical ideals of Americans valuing freedom above all else
2. "invisible hand" is an allusion to the black and white dogma of capitalism vs communism, to inspire blind obedience to capitalism as a proper American.

These are appeals to the lowest intellectual levels of our society. Economic freedom means being able to financially afford all of one's needs and many of one's wants in life. Here are examples of things that take away economic freedom from people's own hands:

 corporate monopolies that remove consumer choice
 technology automation and outsourcing that reduces domestic jobs, tipping the scales of supply and demand in the workforce, tilting power in favor of those with money vs. those working for money
 unregulated banking systems where bank owners/investors/execs reap the profits of high risk high return investment/gambling, but taxpayers inherit the risks when it goes bad
 tax policies that give preferential loopholes to the wealthiest people while removing the policies that encourage upward mobility in the middle class or movement from poverty to the middle class
 education policies that reduce accountability and standards so that children are deprived of the opportunity to compete effectively against better educated children in other places
 closet racism, bigotry, and sexism that lead to people losing opportunities... these are reasons not of their own making


I see it as the role of our government to protect individuals from the cut-throat wilderness that would otherwise exist. There will always be powers that rise to fill a vacuum, and there will always be individuals that abuse whatever systems exist. But I prefer to support governments explicitly that are amenable to the ideals of the citizenry they support, rather than the de facto rule by corporations (or the parallel of illegal but startlingly similar organized crime syndicates) that occurs when we lose sight of the value of elected governments and transparent processes and reasons for existence that explicitly support people's pursuit of happiness rather than maximizing profit.

Anyone can complain and find fault wherever they look. It takes more vision and integrity to offer viable alternatives, to offer rational perspectives that can motivate others to reconsider their position. I invite you to share more of yourself and what you have to offer.
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