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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Jan 11, 2017 - 08:19am PT
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Is Santa Cruz part of California?
Susan
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 11, 2017 - 09:08am PT
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I would start by implementing an annual 100 dollar registration fee on bicycles that are ridden on the public roads..
Taking for granted your tongue-in-cheek, I point out that your solution is the same as the gov't---raise taxes on something.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 11, 2017 - 09:13am PT
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+1 for Kens post
My pop is a hydrologist; he constantly hammers on the need for giving tax breaks to folks investing in what Ken describes.
Thanks, I think that is a good way to go, too.
But I don't think we really need to wait for those bruising fights. I think it is enough to start by creating a campaign that tells people what they can do to contribute to the solution, themselves. Much of that will be ignored, but it will not be ignored by a percentage of people. If done well, it can create a "badge value" of community support. An actual demonstration that anyone in your neighborhood can see.....and then that starts a conversation.
No doubt that financial incentives help "the great middle" get there too, but I'd start with the "early adopters", and see what happens. Little cost, no lag time.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 11, 2017 - 09:20am PT
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Contractor: you must not have heard Gov Brown's speech at AGU in December where he committed to opposing the incoming administration if they try to f*ck with Cali...
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/12/jerry-brown-california-climate-change-donald-trump
A good place to start is for the State of California to better characterize its aquifer resources by using technology developed in the Oil and Gas industry to more accurately map the extent of beneficial use groundwater throughout the State. Believe it or not, the deep (> 3,000 ft) oil-bearing stratigraphy beneath Cali is better characterized than the shallower hydrostratigraphy.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jan 11, 2017 - 09:29am PT
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Is Santa Cruz part of California?
I am so sorry Susan.
Trump has sold Santa Cruz to mother Russia.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jan 11, 2017 - 10:53am PT
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DMT- It always has. It started with theft when the Europeans showed up and has not changed since.
Thanks for the clever quip from an unassailable position as always. I'LL reflect accordingly.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 11, 2017 - 07:39pm PT
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DMT, AK has Homer, they don't need no stinkin' Santa Cruz, especially if all the homeless come with it.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 11, 2017 - 08:09pm PT
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They got no choice. San Andreas has spoken.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 11, 2017 - 09:18pm PT
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in ~ 100 x 10^6 years
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jan 11, 2017 - 09:44pm PT
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The food scene in LA is the best in the history of man on Earth.
You should try Austin.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 12, 2017 - 10:09am PT
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The food scene in LA is the best in the history of man on Earth.
I don't know about that, I tried to find bad food in NYC, just could not do it. LA? not so hard to find.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jan 12, 2017 - 10:56am PT
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Every time this thread pops up, I hear Estimated Prophet.
California, preaching on the burning shore
California, I'll be knocking on the golden door
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 12, 2017 - 04:08pm PT
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Sort of the last word on water storage concepts in Ca:
https://californiawaterblog.com/2011/09/13/water-storage-in-california-2/
But larger reservoirs might not be of much help; with a much drier climate, there could be too little water to fill even existing storage capacity.
Reservoirs only store water, they cannot create it. No reservoir can reliably deliver more than the reservoir’s average annual inflow (minus evaporation). Enlarging a reservoir always increases water deliveries by a smaller proportion (Hazen 1914). Similarly for flood management, larger reservoirs provide more control, but with decreasing incremental effectiveness. Most easy, cheap, and effective reservoir locations in California already have reservoirs.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 12, 2017 - 04:58pm PT
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from the link I posted ^^^
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 12, 2017 - 08:11pm PT
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Ah, my Alma mater!
You could see the potential problem of root rot, fungal infiltration, etc, but if done well, perhaps not. Perhaps it might give direction to specific crop choices. Think about all the farmland in the central valley, maintained underwater for a month--or two, using the stormwater that is getting dumped out of reservoirs. Captured on-site, never making it to the ocean.
Hmmmm
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 12, 2017 - 08:34pm PT
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Ah, my Alma mater! mine too :-)
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jstan
climber
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Jan 13, 2017 - 08:34am PT
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Going north from Bakersfield on Amtrak I see lots of central valley land in reserve because of water
shortage. That could all be flooded. And if orchards are being cut for the same reason, then all of
those could be flooded. They'll be cut in a year anyway. As I understand it, the central valley was
flooded generally in the pre-agribusiness past. There will be costs associated with pumping and berms.
Lowering the rates for water usage by affected properties might be helpful.
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