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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 17, 2016 - 07:02am PT
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The climate is the numero uno reason I voted for Trump.
History will record his presidency as the moment that the temperatures started to decline and the rising seas began to recede. All this as the arrogant criminal cabal behind this greatest of all scams were separated from their hog troughs and we'll deservedly joined the unemployment lines.
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Al Barkamps
Social climber
Red Stick
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Nov 17, 2016 - 08:09am PT
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I thought assuring your progeny generations of embarrassment was the reason you voted for Chump.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Nov 17, 2016 - 02:42pm PT
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yeah, because 150 years or so of burning fossil fuels 24/7 in the dirtiest ways imaginable couldn't possibly have an effect on the climate. It's just too radical and liberal to even conceive of.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 17, 2016 - 06:00pm PT
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I made posts and calculations before that showed the world was burning up 21,000 ships the size of the Exxon Valdez full of oil, a year, or 60 ships per day. This amount has actually increased. The Exxon V held 1.5 million barrels and was 1,000 feet long.
That's just oil adding CO2. THE USA uses about 25% of worlds supplies so the USA burns up about 15 Exxon Valdez ships of oil every day. That's quite a flow into the atmosphere and ocean.
That is just oil. Then there is coal and natural gas, and all of the methane leaks from oil wells and cows.
And, We have burned enough CO2 to have measurably decreased the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere.
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/O2DroppingFasterThanCO2Rising.php
http://scrippso2.ucsd.edu/
What amazes me the most I think is the way they are able to keep all of the filling stations full around the clock.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Nov 17, 2016 - 07:02pm PT
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pud,
I really hope you are not uninformed enough to think anything in that video is accurate.
Do you think all these respected organizations are making up thousands of research fabrications?
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES
Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations
"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)
American Association for the Advancement of Science
"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)
American Chemical Society
"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)
American Geophysical Union
"Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)
American Medical Association
"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)
American Meteorological Society
"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)
American Physical Society
"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)
The Geological Society of America
"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)
SCIENCE ACADEMIES
International academies: Joint statement
"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)
U.S. National Academy of Sciences
"The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)
U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
U.S. Global Change Research Program
"The global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases. Human 'fingerprints' also have been identified in many other aspects of the climate system, including changes in ocean heat content, precipitation, atmospheric moisture, and Arctic sea ice." (2009, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)
US DOD
INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
“Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, and sea level has risen.”
“Human influence on the climate system is clear, and recent anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases are the highest in history. Recent climate changes have had widespread impacts on human and natural systems.”
The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.
http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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Nov 17, 2016 - 07:26pm PT
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Skinny pedal on the right.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Nov 17, 2016 - 08:08pm PT
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pud's video is definitely for dummies ;-)
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 17, 2016 - 08:14pm PT
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Hey show some respect, that film is what Senator Inhofe uses in his climate hoax seminars. The best part is about 2 minutes in when the climate genius calls rainbow girl an ignorant slut. The Senator bleeps that part out! LOL
What's good about this film is the way the denier/hoaxer industry makes a sham out of the most basic facts. The movie puts out points that are very easy to fact check - hardly anything too technical. It could be a blueprint for how to learn about the subject by dissecting what is incorrect in it. I have no doubt there are many 4th grade classrooms that use it for just that. They censor the ignorant slut part though!
Based on the ppm of 365 mentioned in the movie, the movie was made around 1997-99?;
from https://www.co2.earth/
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 17, 2016 - 09:04pm PT
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the video repeats a number incorrect assertions regarding the role of CO2 as a greenhouse gas, but those have been extensively discussed in a former STForum thread which had been "locked," one of only two threads ever to have been...
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221
that thread went to 20,000 posts. There was never an explanation why the locking took place.
In the pud video there are two other errors which date it's creation:
1) the statement that "a judge will rule against the EPA's basis for regulating greenhouse gases" was premature, and the basis was upheld in the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia in June 2012
2) that "galactic cosmic rays will be shown to cause clouds which can explain the warming"... this is a reference to the CLOUD experiment at CERN, the conclusion of that experiment:
"... using a pion beam from the CERN Proton Synchrotron, they found that ionising radiation such as the cosmic radiation that bombards the atmosphere from space has negligible influence on the formation rates of these particular aerosols."
http://press.cern/press-releases/2013/10/cerns-cloud-experiment-shines-new-light-climate-change
this was in October of 2013.
the science explaining the surface temperature of the Earth has been known since 1896, and has long established the role of CO2 concentration as the determining factor.
Increasing the CO2 concentration increases the surface temperature.
In that 1896 paper a very credible estimate of the increase temperature due to coal burning was made, the incorrect part of the estimate was a greatly underestimated rate of coal burning.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 17, 2016 - 09:50pm PT
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Further research shows 'Ignorant Slut' probably originating with Saturday Night Live from 1995-2000.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Nov 17, 2016 - 10:34pm PT
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Ed,
can you dispel the claim that 93% of Co2 emissions come from natural sources?
circa 1979
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 17, 2016 - 10:43pm PT
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No Ed. The thread went well past 30k posts if your self erasure and frequently banned individuals deletions are taken into account. It doesn't really matter though, since the consensus science will soon be strangled of its lifeblood funds and go poof into vapors flimsier than the supposed correlation between the minor rise of atmospheric CO2 content and the exceedingly modest rise of recent global temps. I pity the poor young fools that mistook this climate crockery for a science worthy of years of study and pursuit as a career.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 17, 2016 - 10:51pm PT
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^Do you understand that you echo the whim that brought about the darkest ages Rick? Do you understand that science brought us to this standard of living? Do you understand that China and other countries will happily continue funding research and supplant our position if we decide the Dark Ages are better for fat old white men?
And I always thought that I was a Luddite
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 17, 2016 - 11:16pm PT
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Some fine day, Cowpoke, in a future more concerned with adaptation to reality rather than the bogeyman of false catastrophism, you'll understand the level of naivete of your once young mind. In the meantime please just try to keep your latest ex squeeze from going bat sh#t crazy on the pages of this ST asylum and endangering her kid(s) in the process.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Nov 17, 2016 - 11:18pm PT
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since the consensus science will soon be strangled of its lifeblood funds
Harper did this in Canada, which lasted as long as his regime/term.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Nov 17, 2016 - 11:29pm PT
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Rick is interesting only as a study in stubborn ignorance, but then again that is the title of this thread.
So tell us Rick, in the 3.5 years you have posted 1600 times about climate, have you learned anything about the subject besides the profoundness of your own denying voice? Is denialism justified when scientists aren't all as nice to you as your 2nd grade teacher? How should it be packaged to make a pleasing breitbart trumpet?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 18, 2016 - 12:05am PT
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can you dispel the claim that 93% of Co2 emissions come from natural sources?
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/CarbonCycle/
it looks like 96% of the CO2 going into the atmosphere is from natural sources, at least from the NASA estimate. (The numbers are gigatons of carbon per year).
importantly, the Carbon cycle also absorbs CO2 out of the atmosphere.
When you add it all up, a net effect of increasing CO2 is due to humans, without the additional human contribution the system would be in equilibrium. Calculated this way, only about 3% of the total CO2 emission into the atmosphere stays there... but that has a large effect on the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.
This imbalance is responsible for the increased concentration of CO2 from 280 ppm during the early 19th century (and before) to the modern level of 400 ppm.
This rise in CO2 concentrations has caused the increase in surface temperature, first by warming the atmosphere, which increases the water vapor content, which, in turn, raises the surface temperature more, positive feedback, the effect of increased CO2 concentrations is amplified by the water vapor increase.
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