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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Cosmic .... hilarious! !!
Steve Grossman wrote,
I did everything quietly and by example while I was actively climbing and establishing routes but that doesn't cut it these days in my estimation.
Complete and total horsesh#t.
You wrote a chapter on ethics in a well published aid climbing text which libelled Mark and Richard and Wings of Steel.
This - a route so easily viewed,that if you had bothered to hike your lazy fat ass and a pair of binoculars thirty minutes uphill you could see it wasn't the overbolted heap you told us all it was. I certainly believed you.
And now in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, you have yet to apologize to them.
Why not?
"Everything quietly and by example" MY lazy lard ass.
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Typewriters and Ledges
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PTPP Wrote:
Steve Grossman wrote,
I did everything quietly and by example while I was actively climbing and establishing routes but that doesn't cut it these days in my estimation.
Complete and total horsesh#t.
You wrote a chapter on ethics in a well published aid climbing text which libeled Mark and Richard and Wings of Steel.
This - a route so easily viewed,that if you had bothered to hike your lazy fat ass and a pair of binoculars thirty minutes uphill you could see it wasn't the overbolted heap you told us all it was. I certainly believed you.
And now in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, you have yet to apologize to them.
Why not?
"Everything quietly and by example" MY lazy lard ass.
Love this post so much, made it post twice.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Right on Grossman, I respect your views on ethics even though I don't share all of them and realize you have lived through a lot more than myself in the climbing world. Just trying to let you know how you come off in many of your posts, at least in my view.
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chill
climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
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Ah yes, Penny Lane.
"We'll just run up this 5.9 for a little warm up and then go find something more worthy of our skills".
I damn near took a grounder off that slippery SOB.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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This just in- thanks!
Howl away lads...Go back and read what I actually wrote as it is totally tame. Rob Slater also said the route was overbolted and that is straight out of Richard's book.
Just say no to WOS.
Oh and incidentally Pete unless one of you guys repeated the 5.11 R/X pitch above Armageddon then you haven't really repeated the Competitive Edge (aka Real Nose) in its entirely. I don't suppose you did any of the other free climbing either unless you sent the youngster up there. haven't heard a peep so far...what's up with that?
Cheers!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Quit arguing. If you don't like, go chop. Like Canadian men do in Squamish as described above.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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I still think the idea of a bolt bounty could have legs. Just as ES collects money to put in bolts, we could have a bolt bounty to pay for someone to go chop them.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Will do Pete!
I'd just rather be climbing than doing cleanup work.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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It is a bullshit argument to say "if you don't like it go chop them."
Erik Sloan is serving up sh#t sandwiches and telling everyone they are filet mignon. He talks about "harmony and everyone working together" while he is systematically dumbing down Yosemite for his own perverse pleasure. One of his hands is out and open, begging for people to pay him to dishonor the community, while the middle finger of his other hand waves at generations of climbers.
If Erik Sloan is illegally power drilling in the Yosemite Wilderness let's hope the climbing rangers bust this thug and set an example so that other criminals think twice.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Rob Slater also said the route was overbolted and that is straight out of Richard's book.
Ah, SG just can't help himself. Haters GOTTA hate.
Okay, provide the quote.
SG can turn any thread into a WOS-hate thread. It's the burr that he just can't get out from under his saddle.
Provide the quote, and let's see how you have me saying that Slater said it was overbolted, when clearly, objectively-speaking, it is not (and can be seen as not from the ground).
I said before, and I'll say it again, Steve: DO the route (as you endlessly stated you would), or shut your a-hole. I'll be right back at you EVERY time you crawl out from under your rock to engage in yet more WoS slander. Or, you could take the advice of ALL of your friends and leave it alone. For now....
Provide the quote.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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My memory of the passage wasn't accurate looking it up again. My bad.
Back to something we can agree on like Sloanification...
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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If Erik Sloan is illegally power drilling in the Yosemite Wilderness let's hope the climbing rangers bust this thug and set an example so that other criminals think twice.
Making the argument of whether or not the bolts are legit based on the tool used to install them is silly.
That's like saying a modern scoped crossbow is a legit weapon for use on an archery hunt.
Why lower the argument to a technicality when it has merit to stand on its own?
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Ooh Richard. Such language.
I climbed Slaters Wyoming Sheep Ranch. He placed four intentionally crappy rivets on the crux Welcome to Wyoming pitch with hard scary hooking in between.
That being said the rivets are farther apart and the hooking is harder on WoS than WSR.
Concur with Esco.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Another intermission, top o page:
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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My memory of the passage wasn't accurate looking it up again. My bad.
Oh, yeah, that gets it done.
Can you just leave it alone, once and for all? I don't want to engage with you at this level, Steve. Never have! Just leave it alone, so we can get on with our lives.
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Typewriters and Ledges
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Steve Grossman wrote:
My memory of the passage wasn't accurate looking it up again. My bad.
Back to something we can agree on like Sloanification...
First post by Steve that didn't make me cringe. Respect to the smallest of teeny tiny victories.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Yes, about "Sloanification" we are agreed.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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It's funny Richard that as soon as we three were going to sit down and settle our differences you chose to attack NACHA and the work that I am doing instead so it would seem that you really don't want to resolve anything.
Care to enlighten me on your timing there?
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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^^^ Attention Jeff Vargen!
Get the cameras ready.
I'll bring the beers. Who's got popcorn?
I was not aware Steve is a member of NAMBLA.
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