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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Pyro Clinton...Has a nice ring to it...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dude, we should do this! With a climbing focus, not politics.
A 2016 Shuteye re-cap. I would roll solo, which makes me much more available for the gnar.
I hate approaches though...they kill me. But I'll be fine. It was a huge problem when drinking a lot of beers. I've taken care of that, mostly.
If I'm rolling solo, game -on! We can achieve anything!!!
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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yo bluering... regarding your twitter post from Mark D. Ellis...
there are a few issues. first is that the u.s. gov't, as with drone victims and other subjects that it doesn't want to have objective data out there for voters/academics/politicians who actually do their job to be able to study and dissect, does not tally the number of people who are killed by cops... fortunately some friends in the UK have stepped up and that is likely where Mark D. Ellis' numbers came from ["The Counted" project being done by the guardian newspaper] as such, his numbers are likely partial numbers for 2016 to date....
but for the last complete year in 2015 that the guardian counted, 1146 people were killed by cops and 306 of them were black... this works out to 2.5X the rate that whites are killed... [and more importantly more than 100 of those 306 black americans that were killed were unarmed - a rate of 5X that of unarmed whites!].
but let's stick with the numbers that Ellis used in order to show that regardless of where he got them, the same issue rises in his numbers as well... you do realize that the 136 black americans out of the 509 total people being killed by cops works out to 26.7%? and that the proportion of the population of the u.s. that is african american is 12.3%? meaning that even using his numbers the death rate is 2.2X that of the rate of non-blacks?
and regarding his last line: "police officers don't just pull people over walk up to cars and just shoot people"... well, actually that's a lot of the issue. as some of this most recent video and the above statistics regarding the unarmed suggests... ie. in some cases it is effectively exactly that [a police officer pulled someone over, walked up to the car and shot someone...] and when one third of the black people that cops kill are unarmed, are you seriously surprised that people are protesting?!?
and finally you do realize that in the same year that u.s. cops killed 1146 people, canadian cops killed about 22 [or a per capita rate of less than 20% of the u.s. rate] and british cops killed about 4 people in 2015 [or a per capita rate of about 2% of the u.s. rate]...
i get the u.s. is different from those other two in that it was predicated from its founding on the structural subjugation of either some its own people or later people outside its borders, and so violence and the subjugation of humans is a foundational principle of its policies... but that is kind of exactly the point.
just because a black person posts something that reinforces your world view, doesn't mean it's not bull shIt... you're smarter than that.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nah, I get ya. Just thought I'd add a post from my feed from a black dude's perspective.
I didn't check his facts, I posted his intent. He wants black people to chill the f*#k out!
But I know his type. The successful black person. As if it's some anomaly!
They do NOT like this aggression towards cops from the 'brothers'. Brings more and more violence.
But there are numerous black folk who don't seem to run into this problem of cop violence. Know why? That's what I thought!
Don't be a thug! And you may just live another day. If your homies kill you it's just another 'killing'. But if a white cop is doing his job against an aggressive thug. Apparently that is racism?
You want Black Power? Stop killing each other.
How much more power is needed anyway, isn't the prez pure enough for y'all?
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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If you look at the statistics for young, black males as a percentage of the population, then look at the number of homicides they commit, this largely explains the big numbers. Young blacks are much more likely to be in situations where cops will shoot them. I still agree with many posters who say that at least some of these shootings were unjustified, and that because of the crime rate with young black males, the police tend to be more inclined to shoot sooner than with whites.
It is ironic that in Texas, where people love to own lots of guns, that a man would shoot and kill five policeman. It just demonstrates to me the folly of thinking that owning a gun will protect you. You'd have to be pretty good with a gun to come out on top in a shoot out with an ex-military guy, trained for combat, who served in a war zone, and has a bullet proof vest along with a powerful assault rifle. You have a better chance if you either run or play dead.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2016 - 09:16pm PT
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"It just demonstrates to me the folly of thinking that owning a gun will protect you."...
You nailed it on that one...
+1
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couchmaster
climber
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A black persons perspective ya say? Here's the good Minister Rev Farrakhan just yesterday on July 8th. Interesting video, says it's got to be violence. That blacks need to avoid that non-violence bullshit the white man is pushing and just get right onto F*#king up the man in a violent messy bloody way. Just like the white man been doin' to the black man all along. Hmm.
http://twitter.com/LouisFarrakhan/status/751146351262511105/video/1
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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TradEddie:
A bad guy with a gun that couldn't even be stopped by hundreds of good guys with guns? It took a robot and C4, so perhaps we should all be able to buy those too?
Fortunately, it takes more than a background check to possess such ordinance.
A single Dallas Police officer at the controls of the weapon did stop the suspect.
I commend the DPD for their quick thinking and use of something the perp would never suspect.
They aren't saying exactly what was used but it is likely C4 was only the propellant. A claymore type mine could have easily been fastened to a robot making the kill zone much larger than using composition C4 only. It also gives the operator greater control of the area to be cleared.
Ordinance disposal robots cost around $200k. The claymore mine about a $100.
They may have been able to salvage the robot if in fact a claymore was used.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jul 10, 2016 - 06:33am PT
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(CNN)The Bahamas' Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Immigration is warning its citizens traveling to the United States of "recent tensions in some American cities over shootings of young black males by police officers."
The government of the majority-black Caribbean nation emphasized in an statement Friday that its travelers should avoid crowds and demonstrations in the U.S. Young men, specifically, should "exercise extreme caution in affected cities in their interactions with the police ... Do not be confrontational and cooperate."
The warning comes ahead of the country's Independence Day on Monday, a public holiday when many Bahamians plan to travel to the United States.
Not only Chicago but all the USA.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jul 10, 2016 - 07:06am PT
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Cragman...He fired 3 shits...? Must have been a good shot..?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2016 - 07:41am PT
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I don't agree with blue ring on much, if anything, but he alluded to black on black crime.
I do wonder why sharpton, and Jesse Jackson avoid talking about it. Even Obama did not address the subject when asked about it at a town hall meeting.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jul 10, 2016 - 07:47am PT
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(CNN)The Bahamas' Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Immigration is warning its citizens traveling to the United States of "recent tensions in some American cities over shootings of young black males by police officers."
As evidenced by my prior posts, I'm not under the illusion that there isn't institutionalized racism within the ranks of law enforcement, but the above is nothing more than political theater.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 10, 2016 - 07:54am PT
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Steve...White on white crime is almost as high as black on black crime.
Funny we don't hear about that at all in the media.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/03/03/9-facts-white-white-crime-far-exceeds-black-black-crime-media-conceals/3/
"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kerry-coddett/white-on-white-crime-an-u_b_6771878.html
"The Bureau of Justice Statistics found that compared to Blacks, whites were more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members and their significant others. They commit more sex-related crimes, gang-related crimes and are more likely to kill at their places of employment."
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jul 10, 2016 - 08:55am PT
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the difference is that we as taxpayers arm and fund the cops.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:10am PT
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"Law enforcement needs to be held accountable for their behavior, but a Black American's greatest threat is his fellow Black American. It makes for better media ratings and rally numbers to demonize the 700,000 plus Law Enforcement officers in this Country as a whole, than to look into your own Communities behavior and seek hard solutions to real and pervasive behaviors. "
And white American's greatest threat is other white Americans.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:59am PT
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Dallas ambush attack eyewitness, Kellon Nixon, gives his thoughtful response to the previous day's events...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
A well made animation short can convey the truth better than statistics.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jul 10, 2016 - 11:15am PT
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Here’s a simple truth: If we banned all guns tomorrow, the nation would be almost instantly transformed, exclusively for the better.
it's going to take 34 states to decide..
why do they keep trying to take the constitution apart!
go back to nude picture taking..
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c wilmot
climber
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Jul 10, 2016 - 11:20am PT
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And white American's greatest threat is other white Americans.
I find it very bizare that many privlaged white americans have been conditioned to think all other white people are the problem while they themselves are somehow "above" it all. These people are the ones quickest to spout anti white rhetoric as well while somehow thinking their whiteness is of no concern because its those OTHER white people who are evil....
this mindset is also directed at kids who are literally being taught that "white privilege" is somehow real and that your skin color again defines your moral values or place in society.
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