Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
steve s
Trad climber
eldo
|
|
Albert, Thanks for the removal and patch job of the offending bolts. I owe ya a beer for yer efforts!
Thanks Bad Acrynym for the laughs , keep it up. Peace or is woot or maybe toot.....
|
|
pinckbrown
Trad climber
Woodfords, CA
|
|
Thank you Albert
|
|
Heisenberg
Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
|
|
Erik is sh#t talk'n @ MP. What a joke
Also what's interesting is Roger Putnam doesn't chime in on his co-authors ethics.
Can someone post his Big Wall Ethics chapter in his book?
|
|
Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
|
|
What is scary is that the Mnt reject is where 'No No On Hooks's audience is,
I was gonna say more but. .,.
Any one notice there is no chalk on any of the climbs in the pictures I post! Not even the crack!
What's up with that?
No one really wants to climb real climbs here on the east coast. Just climb on top rope repeating the same things ad-infenitum. . .
|
|
Heisenberg
Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
|
|
I'm with Russ here.
Looks like a sh#t Erik Sloan took and forgot to wipe his ass. Big ol pile of turd rocks. Routes named
1. Dirty Trombone
2. Rusty Nail
3. Turd Ferguson
4. Erik Sh#t his pants cause he guzzled so much sperm.
|
|
Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
|
|
If you say so,pops.
The dead tree,on the right is gone,
but I like how it looks -
like it was scratching (poking) under the eye,
I have not linked the face,
I have sniveled across it from the start of the hard wide;
Where that big hole that cuts thru into the cliff is.
A cave, that runs up another 60 feet, & out
at the top of the cliff.
A very 'Cool' climb by itself.
The face bulges out,
The whole thing overhangs -
the picture is taken, from 60 feet up showing only the top half of the cliff,
Not my usual short, rock hell type of thing.
it is 'straight on" facing, at equal height, Flattening , for-shortening it,
from that perspective, you can't tell but it is way steep, ...
(I first typo'd gnome!, when I typed Gone, the other tree needs to go. . .
but I do not climb hard enough to justify depriving the ravens who live on this cliff -Ethics, even in a 'choss' 'pile)
|
|
Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
|
|
Russ, drop an engine in the bus, get some 'cid, and I'll drive out with ya! We can stop overnight at the Colonels on the way!
|
|
shylock
Social climber
mb
|
|
boy, haven't seen this much action since the lightning bolt got erased. where's the guy that did that now? probably dead..
|
|
the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
|
|
Hey Gnome, I was born in Danbury. Was back there last summer for the first time in about 35 years. Checked out Mark Twain's house.
Scratch that, we went to Hartford. Still haven't been to Danbury in 35 years.
|
|
yosguns
climber
|
|
Ken Nichols. Heh. He's like the opposite of retrobolters.
|
|
F
climber
away from the ground
|
|
Right on Albert. PM me if you want the booty beer. Although I have a feeling you aren't the attention seeking, reward hungry type, unlike ..... But the offer stands. Cheers.
Sloan - suck it.
|
|
dhayan
climber
culver city, ca
|
|
Finally all is right in this world and I can sleep at ease!
Edit: seriously though thanks Albert. I'd be happy to chip in as well and put my money where my mouth is with regards to chopping any nanooking.
|
|
c wilmot
climber
|
|
I suggest "Albert" brag to the rangers about his "patchwork"
|
|
Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
|
|
^^ sour grapes?
|
|
Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
|
|
Fighting with Fish (catching a big one one 1#test line) was not the point,
I was amped as so many were, that Albert stood up
& Retuned the Book to the Climb it is.
Albert is still old school enough to stay focused and get a job done.
No one ever would have dared to add bolts to climbs
when we threw fists instead of words from far away
But that time is gone and If you saw it from here in small rock hell
where they are all gym climbers now you'd be worried that -NoNo On Hooks- boltz
are what they want and is coming if not stopped Now,
|
|
Heisenberg
Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
|
|
From Sloans Blog:
Leave a comment
First Ascents are a coveted climbing prize for many experienced climbers. The feeling of setting off into the vertical unknown, on relying on your and your partner’s wits and expertise to unlock the mysteries of the rock puzzle in front of you, are incomparable to the everyday, follow-the-line-in-the-guidebook experience. First Ascents happen all year long in Yosemite. There is always something new being discovered, or a route that was previously paid-climbed is being free-climbed for the first time, a la The Dawn Wall on El Cap. Here are some basic First Ascent ethics, as well as some rules about First Ascents in Yosemite.
General First Ascent Ethics
Make Sure Your Proposed Line Looks Good: When you are new to First Ascents, looks might be deceiving, so talk to your partners to make sure your proposed line is worthy.
Do Your Homework: Research your line to ensure it hasn’t been climbed before. Many old routes were not reported, or the old guidebooks were so opaque that certain climbs languish in obscurity.
Don’t Fight Over It: If the route has been attempted before, but has not actively been attempted, say in the last few months, contact the party who is attempting the route before climbing on it. Work Together! Nothing brings unnecessary friction in the climbing community as people who feel like they own a section of a mountain, because they have been attempting a route on it for some time. If you can’t climb a route in a reasonable amount of time for that type of route, say a few months, then accept that others might be interested in trying it out – or buy the land that the climb sits on so that you control every aspect of your climb.
Make Your Climb For The Community: Put fixed protection and anchors in the best places for all climbers – if you’re 6’ 2” tall, imagine someone 5’ 7” climbing your route, and bolt it accordingly. Think of how much fun others are going to have on your route.
Place Fixed Anchors That Will Last: Rusted, tiny bolts and rat’s nests of webbing at belays is out. Appropriate-sized bolts, with rappel links at belays, designed to last a minimum of 50-75 years is the new standard. Place fewer, better anchors!
Share It: Report your new route to the current guidebook authors or post about it on a climbing forum. Many climbing areas are on public lands, so the public deserves to know what you have installed/climbed on their land
And:
Yosemite First Ascent Rules
Climb Clean: Complete your climb with minimal alteration of the natural environment as possible. In Yosemite, it is illegal to alter the landscape in any way. In rock climbing, this is usually interpreted to mean that first ascentionists do a minimal amount of cleaning on new climbs, as it is often next to impossible to do no cleaning at all.
Leave The Best Anchors: If leaving fixed anchors, only use the highest quality stainless steel hardware. Yosemite’s landscape is priceless, and we need to treat its climbs the same way. The days of going to a hardware store and buying whatever the cheapest bolts were, of saying, “they’re good enough,” is over. Strive to equip your route with anchors that are designed to last 50-75 years.
Minimize Fixed Rope Use: Don’t leave fixed ropes on your climb unless you are actively working on it. Fixed ropes are considered abandoned property in Yosemite, and can be removed by the Park Service after 24 hours of inactivity. So if you leave a rope fixed for any reason, leave a note with it stating the date when you intend to return.
Share Your Joy: There are tens of thousands of climbs in Yosemite, so make sure to share information about your new climb so that others can enjoy it, too. Yosemite has too many cliffs full of climbs that no one knows about.
What is super woot woot funny are and contradictions that even he doesn't even realize what he's stating.
The General FA ethics:
4. Make Your Climb For The Community: Put fixed protection and anchors in the best places for all climbers – if you’re 6’ 2” tall, imagine someone 5’ 7” climbing your route, and bolt it accordingly. Think of how much fun others are going to have on your route.
To Yosemite FA RULES:
Climb Clean: Complete your climb with minimal alteration of the natural environment as possible. In Yosemite, it is illegal to alter the landscape in any way. In rock climbing, this is usually interpreted to mean that first ascentionists do a minimal amount of cleaning on new climbs, as it is often next to impossible to do no cleaning at all.
Now one would assume maybe he was drunk when he wrote this? Or he's mildly retarded.
If your 6'2" and drilling you would leave less impact on the rock since their spaced farther apart. Slater used the Love Tron to not drill for 14 feet? Minimizing the amount of holes on the route. So really a 6'2 climber is leaving minimal alteration compared to a 5'7 climber. And funny thing too is people need to make their routes based on Erik Sloans height requirement vs. having balls.
Now the FA RULES in yosemite too apparently dictate that it's illegal to alter the landscape in ANY way.
Erik would you care to elaborate on your seasons working for the trail crew?
I'm gonna guess Sloan doesn't drink and he's mildly retarded
|
|
Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
|
|
After bolt chopping action - Empire will strike back: "Weekend at Albert's" area in announced Select guide for iPhone and android nerds be renamed to .."Weekend of Revelations "
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|