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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:07am PT
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Well if farmers and their customers were willing to pay a living wage for their produce there would be plenty of american job takers. Americans are not willing to do that work for illegal immigrant wages that for f*#king sure. Most food buyers aren't willing to pay it either.
Nor is anyone willing to pay $15 for a head of lettuce.
I just don't understand the disconnect of some.
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:08am PT
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The Tea Party has become too right wing for Boehner! Here is what he said when John Dickerson asked him if they were unrealistic in their expectations.
Boehner said, "Absolutely, they’re unrealistic. But, you know, the Bible says beware of false prophets. And there are people out there, you know, spreading noise about how much can get done. I mean, this whole idea that we’re going to shut down the government to get rid of Obamacare in 2013, this plan never had a chance."
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:11am PT
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I don't think it's accurate to characterize Boehner as a Tea Partier, in any case- matter of fact, he knew damn well the 'Burn the Gov't Down' types were too far out there and had the impossible task of trying to at least appear like he was serving their interests to try to keep the GOP cohesive. Talk about cat herding.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:11am PT
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False Prophet
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:13am PT
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We also like our cheap dollar store sh#t made in China, probably at great cost to laborers and the environment. Nobody wants to pay the true costs of products we purchase.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:30am PT
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Demanding the lowest prices is just another way of racing to the bottom
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:33am PT
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Lower prices promote wealth.
Who is wealthier? A man with a head of lettuce? Or a man with a head of lettuce and a twelve-pack?
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:44am PT
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Sure, many workers can now have a bowl of soup with a ham bone in it, instead of only broth.
Yay, capitalism.
But are 12 hour days working under crappy and dangerous conditions for a few dollars (benefits? Hahahahaha), while living in polluted cities, a decent life? We wouldn't tolerate that sh#t here, so we let brown people elsewhere do our dirty work. Out of sight, out of mind.
But yes, at least we can buy $.99 plastic containers in the US, which will be in working condition for about 11 months, then end up in landfills.
God bless the Dollar General.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:47am PT
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.The Republicans don't want to help the average American citizen
To be fair, this is really not true. The Repugs believe in "Trickle Down" improvement of the unwashed masses. "A rising tide floats all boats"
The only problem, of course, is that it is not true.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:49am PT
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Lower prices promote wealth.
Wealth for whom?
The Walmart/Made in China economy.
Are the Chinese who make our stuff (like those iPhones) wealthy? You know, like the ones who work in the factories where they built nets around the buildings to prevent jumping suicides.
Everybody talks about a "recovery" as if we need to get back to the system where we grow every quarter. Grow, grow, grow!, it's good for the economy. Except that we've already used our allotted resources for the year.
Cheap energy and resources (along with the exploitation of 3rd-world countries) brought tremendous growth to the US for the past several decades--but it was all based on a loss-leader. Now that we have to pay retail, everybody cries that our nation is on the wrong path.
Hell fella, we in the US are entitled to have our cheap electronics and gas. Time to bomb to get it.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:51am PT
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It's too easy to criticize Liberals and Democrats
Let's hear about what's Good about Republicans
Never has there been an answer to that, so in other words Republican voters aren't voting for the Good of our Country, they are voting because they are complete suckers to BS Propaganda that the right wing spew.
They are cultists, forget about facts and evidence, it's all about emotional response and following the cult leaders off a cliff.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:53am PT
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When was the last time you were in a Walmart, Kman? ( be honest! )
Last trip I made to Walmart, the only non-American made item I brought home was a bag of coffee beans, which I doubt came from China.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:54am PT
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"Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex."
Frank Zappa
"Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex."
Frank Zappa
"Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex."
Frank Zappa
"Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex."
Frank Zappa
"Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex."
Frank Zappa
"Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex."
Frank Zappa
"Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex."
Frank Zappa
"Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex."
Frank Zappa
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:55am PT
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Well if farmers and their customers were willing to pay a living wage for their produce there would be plenty of american job takers. Americans are not willing to do that work for illegal immigrant wages that for f*#king sure. Most food buyers aren't willing to pay it either.
This is a nice political argument, but I notice that you don't cite any referenced that support your point.
I have a friend who is a farmer near Fresno. He raises grapes for raisins. He is a down-home old boy, who never votes for them deemocrats. He pays $125 for an 8 hour day to whoever will work for him. He FAR prefers Americans. He finds Americans last about 3 hours before quitting. So his workforce is consistently illegals, who rarely quit, and put out about twice the produce of the short term Americans.
He would LOVE to have Americans work for him. Tell him where to look that he has not.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:55am PT
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Are the Chinese who make our stuff (like those iPhones) wealthy? You know, like the ones who work in the factories where they built nets around the buildings to prevent jumping suicides.
last I checked Iphones are made in U.S.A
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:56am PT
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The last best damn republican we had was Eisenhower and he was almost as right wing as Bernie Sanders is, but not quite.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:59am PT
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Think the big political divisions developed in the US as the burgeoning war economy directed from the Pentagon empowered the East and the West Coasts. Before that, the US was primarily small business and agriculture; after that, the big business model consumer model took over. You'll notice that the Red States are all in areas that got left behind by post-WWII prosperity. They're still living according the the small business-agricultural model and, as a result, are much more politically conservative if not downright reactionary. The Town Mouse vs. the Country Mouse?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 28, 2015 - 10:59am PT
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Perhaps Norton has got it right, again.
Why not have someone who fundamentally understands business making the decisions, again.
I say "Give Trump a Chance!"
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 28, 2015 - 11:01am PT
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Trump, the chump, taking a dump, on a stump.
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Sep 28, 2015 - 11:01am PT
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What! Trump is a true fascist!
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