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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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"Caitlyn" isn't any name for a 65-year-old woman.
Gals our age are named something like "Sharon", "Donna", "Dorothy", "Ruth".
Your Granddaughter's named Caitlyn.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Everyone says God says this God says that. My hearing must be bad, i only hear humans saying God says.....
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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If you really want to know what God says ask the HolySpirit.
Sincerely.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Oh Maddy, don't be silly. I didn't say your god was right nor wrong, nor klimmer's.
Oh Dingleberry, don't obfuscate. Actually, ya did, bra: "I think klimmer is absolutely right about his god."
(Hey, I can see why you favor this drive-by shooting approach to your forum "contributions." It's fun and so EASY! I'm feeling the tug from the dark side!)
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Thou shalt not kill, is something I think people and god agree on?
Not very charitable of you to equate an accident with intentional murder (which is what the commandment actually proscribes).
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Klimmer, I'm still hoping to get an answer from you regarding what attributes of a person our gender pronouns are referring to.
I'm really hoping that as you contemplate that issue, you'll see that these sorts of cases are not as clear-cut as you think (and that the Bible is not nearly as clear about them as you have supposed).
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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"Religions of the World" +10
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Transabled?
How about translesbian?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Who cares more about someone's life and ultimate salvation? Who cares more about Bruce Jenner's life and salvation?
The Messianic Jewish believer, the Christian believer who speaks the truth through the word of G-d (as much as it can hurt for a moment) and risks public ridicule to save a life, a soul from eternal damnation ...
Or
The non-believer who simply says live and let live. Do what ever you want, do what ever you feel like doing. Just be happy now for the moment. There is no eternity. There is only now this moment.
Who cares more? Who loves his neighbor more?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Possibly both ... both could be wrong.. it's harder to come up with a realistic scenario where both are right but I can come up with such a scenario.
However any god who makes a person a certain way then condemns them for it is pretty messed up. Just saying.
Is that the case with Jenner?... I don't pretend to know.. and I sure don't think any of us do. This is of course assuming there is a god and that god is the one you think it is. ..which I don't find likely but tend to act and think as if there is sometimes.
But one thing for sure is that thinking even simple physical sexual identity is a purely binary situation is waaay off the mark. Let alone the brain related behavioral characteristics of sexual identity.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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But one thing for sure is that thinking even simple physical sexual identity is a purely binary situation is waaay off the mark.
Precisely.
Klimmer, as a fellow Christian, let me put it to you this way:
If Jenner "became" fully a woman, then married and lived out the rest of "her" life monogamously with "her" husband, "she" would be FAR more morally upstanding in the sight of God than the vast, vast majority of so-called "Christians" will ever be.
Rather than wringing your hands over this "edge case" the details of which you do not know nor understand, I'll say again: Clean up your own house. Christianity is in SUCH a mess that we would do far better to turn our eyes inward than to worry about "saving" somebody that might not even need saving.
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John M
climber
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However any god who makes a person a certain way then condemns them for it is pretty messed up. Just saying.
God did not create us in our current form. Nor does God condemn us. We condemn ourselves by our choices. If you eat too much sugar, you get fat. Thats life. Thats consequences. Thats reality. God created us and placed us in reality so that we could learn how to live in reality. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. What we do matters.
The problem is that man has forgotten the teachings of reincarnation. We have all had previous lifetimes. It is there that mistakes have been made. Not in our original creation. Mistakes were made in our choices. We had the knowledge. We gave it away.
A climber should appreciate consequences. Where is the challenge if there are no consequences? The problem is that we believe that this is our first lifetime. Its not. So our feelings of who we are, are more complicated then this one lifetime can explain.
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WBraun
climber
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If you eat too much sugar, you get fat.
And these stoopid people here will say it's all God's fault all while saying there is no God nor any evidence of God.
Complete utter stooopid idiots ......
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Nice post Climbski2 : )
Who cares more about someone's life and ultimate salvation? Who cares more about Bruce Jenner's life and salvation?
Jesus!
And who is responseable for our ultimate salvation? Jesus, Right? So shouldn't we look to Him, firstly for our own salvation and understand how that's granted. Which is only through His Holy Grace. Agreed? Jesus TOLD us His arrival was "Not to condemn the Law, but to FULFILL it". Jesus hands His followers examples for how to act spiritually to the breaking of every Material Law. And by material, I'm talkin our physical bodies. A prime example being; when the whole town(wanting to test Jesus) brought forth the young adulterous caught in the act. And all the townspeople reasoned that The Law condemns her to death(all the while Jesus sat noninterested drawing in the sand) by way of stoning. When utterly physically provoked, WHAT did Jesus say? He didn't rattle off a bunch of OT rights and wrongs, did He! You know what He said. Let those cast the fist stone that carry no sin. And what was His attitude toward the harlot? THIS is where i think many Christians miss the point. Jesus asks her, "where are those who condemn you?" She said,"they left". And Jesus' response, "then I find no reason to condemn you either. Go and sin no more." Jesus in a round about way tells her if her peers can forgive her, then He surely forgives her. And don't forget, her peers were the holding up The Law. The Law of, an eye for an eye. But Jesus The Redemer is the proof that WE ARE ALL BLIND!
Without Him that is, with Him we can see! Hallelujah!!!
Now then, I believe your last posts to be true to the Word, and your mission honorable and I think you would stand in front of a bus for me. Maybe jus ask G-d about your tact?
Selah
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TwistedCrank
climber
Released into general population, Idaho
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God will only punish you if you believe in him.
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