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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:26am PT
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At least Troll Weiner is consistent...anyone involved in politics is a criminal. Who then for president, the bread delivery guy?
ding ding ding.. someone is starting to figure it out... there is no real choice. The wealthy interests foist a bunch of acceptable (to them) candidates up for us to vote on... no one they have not approved first has ANY chance of being allowed.
I wouldn't say criminal myself.. just stuck in a corrupt system we the people have allowed to occur. They cannot work for the people before they work for the donor.
There is no choice for president. What we need is to selct our congress based on one thing. The candidates stand on changing the constitution so that our elected representatives have to work for us.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:30am PT
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Candidates are not all exactly the same platform because wealthy interests are not all the same. However the fact remains the candidates must work for their donors or at least not piss them off before they can ever do anything for us.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:35am PT
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Climbtoski, maybe the problem is with us, the electorate.
From Dana Milbank...
after a political rally this week in which Democrats criticized the Obama administration for siding with Republicans on trade, I had a talk about the future of the party with Rep. Alan Grayson, a Florida Democrat who is one of the most ferocious partisans in the House.
It does no good, he told me, for Democrats to “pretend to be Republican” or to “run corporate campaigns and try to pretend that they’re going to govern from the middle.” His rationale: There is no middle. "Essentially there are no undecided voters. Everybody has picked a team. The only question is, do your guys vote or not?” Grayson explained. What matters, he said, is “what side are you on?”
Up until the mid-1980s, the typical American held the view that partisans on the other side operated with good intentions. But that has changed in dramatic fashion, as a study published last year by Stanford and Princeton researchers demonstrates.
It has long been agreed that race is the deepest divide in American society. But that is no longer true, say Shanto Iyengar and Sean Westwood, the academics who led the study. Using a variety of social science methods they document that “the level of partisan animus in the American public exceeds racial hostility.”
Americans now discriminate more on the basis of party than on race, gender or any of the other divides we typically think of — and that discrimination extends beyond politics into personal relationships and non-political behaviors. Americans increasingly live in neighborhoods with like-minded partisans, marry fellow partisans and disapprove of their children marrying mates from the other party, and they are more likely to choose partners based on partisanship than physical or personality attributes.
“Unlike race, gender and other social divides where group-related attitudes and behaviors are constrained by social norms, there are no corresponding pressures to temper disapproval of political opponents,” they conclude. “If anything, the rhetoric and actions of political leaders demonstrate that hostility directed at the opposition is acceptable, even appropriate. Partisans therefore feel free to express animus and engage in discriminatory behavior toward opposing partisans.”
Up to and through the early 1980s, the average American had a neutral view of opposing partisans. But since then, “partisans have come to dislike the opposition and like co-partisans dramatically more,” Westwood told me. Favorable feelings toward partisans on the other side have dropped by 10 percentage points — going from tepid on what social scientists call a “feeling thermometer” to being “clearly in the cold.”
This hyper-partisanship has occurred even though fewer people identify with the actual parties. The vast majority of self-described independents actually lean toward one party or the other, and they are often even more partisan in their views than those who identify themselves with a party.
Also of note is that the partisan polarization occurs even though Americans aren’t all that split on policies or ideology. Their partisanship is more tribal than anything — the result of an ill-informed electorate. “In order to have an understanding of the ideology of your party and the opposing party you have to have a lot of information,” and “that’s something that just doesn’t happen for the majority of the electorate,” said Westwood. “However, most people understand their side is good and the opposing side is bad, so it’s much easier for them to form these emotional opinions of political parties.”
This leads to a grim conclusion: The problem with politics isn’t Washington but the electorate. Members of Congress, most of whom come from safely gerrymandered districts, are behaving in a perfectly rational way when they avoid cooperation with the other party and instead try to build support within their own tribe.
Elected officials and professional partisans then reinforce the tribal tendency in the electorate with overheated rhetoric, perpetual campaigns, negative ads and increasingly partisan media outlets. “The individuals who hold more hostility are then given the green light to hold these more hostile positions,” Westwood explained.
So does he see a way out of this tribal cycle of hatred? “Sadly, no.”
Fixing Washington becomes more complicated if the problems here are also deep in the American electorate.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 19, 2015 - 10:03am PT
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Where's Fattrad when we need him...?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 19, 2015 - 10:47am PT
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are you all ready for two more years of this shite?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 19, 2015 - 12:43pm PT
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"...and that discrimination extends beyond politics into personal relationships and non-political behaviors."
I wonder how many ST'ers have SO's who hold ideologic views from the other side of the aisle?
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More Air
Trad climber
S.L.C.
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Apr 19, 2015 - 12:54pm PT
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"Don't let anybody tell you that it's corporations and businesses that create jobs,"
-Hillary Clinton
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Apr 19, 2015 - 02:45pm PT
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I expect President Hillary will remove Iran from the terrorist watch list and appoint Bill as ambassador there.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 19, 2015 - 03:11pm PT
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I've a fiver on us seeing the first Starbucks open in Pyongyang after Hillary is anointed.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 19, 2015 - 03:35pm PT
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Democrats = criminals
Republicans = criminals
Me = saint
That's the human way!
If you just perceived the truth of reality the way that I do then you would realize that my beliefs are true and your beliefs are false. Feel free to fill in the rest as an exercise for the reader. :-)
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 19, 2015 - 03:47pm PT
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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/04/why_hillary_cant_be_in_the_moment.html
She has become the Dorian Gray of politics,
She was beaten last time around by a young amateur in the primaries. The Chicago Marxists have now wrested control of the Democrat party from the Clintonites. They aren't going to willingly relinquish the reigns of power.
Bary is siting on a pile of her dirt that will be conveniently exposed once they make their deal on the horse they want to ride.
Her Saudi and Ukrainian billions won't save it for her.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Apr 19, 2015 - 05:12pm PT
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At least in America we got to vote on which oligarch's puppet we want to rule us.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2015 - 05:43pm PT
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there's actually an election, correct?
ROTFLMFAO
You really don't get it do you?
Thus why you like millions of others still argue rep ves dem... you've been had.
Tami understands.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:02pm PT
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The only candidates ALLOWED into the race are those who do not have the peoples agenda in mind.. either side.
No one can run for president without the approval by donation of people who want you to get very low wages.. why? because those wages come out of their pockets.
Yer f*#ked until you change the constitution.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:09pm PT
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Maybe we are just overdue for an "American Spring".
Sure, there will be a decade or two of chaos but after the heads of the Oligarchs have been chopped, the McMansions have been looted and a few million marginal citizens have been killed off - we will more than likely emerge into a new Age of Renaissance.
On the other hand - what will most likely happen is we will just keep griping on Facebook and taking selfies while waiting for the next iApple thingy to keep us busy until Star Wars Version 79 comes out.
Sutpid Americans.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:17pm PT
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No point to a revolution when the people are too stupid to do it the easy way. Oly thing a revolution would do is make things worse.
There is an easy solution. But Werner is correct.
Americans are STUUPID
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
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Ricky...you spelled " stupid " wrong...rj
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:47pm PT
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GeezLouise Herr Braun, you really know how to charm a woman and she gets upset with me for posting gory phtotos and /abˈstro͞os,əbˈstro͞os/ comments.
Even a Canadian woman Tami is smarter than the goofball looniator politard crankloon.
Yessir, why are these men laughing?
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