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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can 'ni' at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land. Nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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Did you come here for an argument?
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
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SammO
Social climber
Ohio
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I would have to think a clever troll (tho' extremely rare) might realize that they could effectively clip any thread they really didn't like, simply by posting such an attack.
When the pattern has been identified, as certain individuals being the main culprits, it would seem preferable to ban/edit them and them alone, even if you might expect them to reappear under new identities. That still involves a bit more frustration and work on their part, while clipping the posts gives them the win.
Also, banning those with a history automatically ends their effort to post to every other thread as well.
Are there certain categories of topic which attract such, or most quickly degenerate in this way? Perhaps a bit more self-editing from new posters might help avoid the most flagrant attractive nuisance-type post, and it seems self-indulgent and immature to post simply for the pleasure of goading certain people into a frenzy.
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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^ best python ever Anita ^
"How do you know he's a king?"
"He hasn't got shite all over him"
"Come and see the violence inherent in the system."
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Thanks Anita and flip flop.
For the uninformed:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Who knew so many disgruntled Americans.. who are not reduced to digging in the dirt for food.. who knew they would be echoing the sentiments of a 40 year old comedy???
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose . . .
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=14032&msg=14032#msg14032
You will never make a site that pleases every poster and every lurker and every advertiser.
The more you moderate and make changes to the site attempting to defeat trolls and bad internet behavior, the more you will have to increase your moderation and changes to the site.
To paraphrase what someone upthread said, you will just create more adept trolls. Or you will eventually create the on-line forum equivalent of a tightly controlled cafeteria that only serves beige pablum.
Good luck Chris.
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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A little known but absolutely true fact is that "Ni!" is royalist code for "No Irish!" And "Shrubber" is code for filthy potato farmers.
You heard it here first.
"Dennis, there's some lovely filth down here."
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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^^ Have I ever mentioned how much I *love* that SASSY girl? ^^
Nope. Never.
You must prove it by finding me a shrubbery, which you must place here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher, so I get the two-level effect with a little path running down the middle.
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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That's hot.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Most business post this right when you walk into store..
Can't wait for Cmac to press charges on those repeat offenders who keep causing mayhem toward his online business..
Google will crack the whip..
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Hello there boys and girls. Welcome to Happytalkn Neighborhood.
Today's word is freeze. Do you know what freeze means? Well
look there. That is freeze. Freeze is real bad.
Freeze is what will happen if you tell an ahole where
to stick it because their ideas are stupid.
In Happytalkn Neighborhood its ok to be stupid but never tell anyone else
how stupid they really are. A virtual catch22.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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The difference is how you tell someone you disagree with their idea.
For example the word stupid is derogatory. So the moment you use it your credibility drops.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Sorry about ur buddy moose..
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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The big delivers bigly..
For example the word stupid is derogatory. So the moment you use it your credibility drops.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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By the 70's and 80's the fires have banked and the smoke has settled allowing a clearer view of the fact that it didn't matter that much after all.
Amen to that. Maybe that's why I am growing into a bemused observer of life's ironies.
I've always thought that the climbing community in general reflected a population of very self motivated and independent individuals. This is why I have always valued the opinions of fellow climbers. A very diverse group with vast knowledge of many topics, ie: The Climate Thread was very educational.
Ad hominem attacks say more about that poster than their target, especially if the intended target takes the high road of reason and logic.
I like the climbing topics, but other threads are interesting as well. I find it ironic that there are some who decry any political thread at all, yet seem to always peek into those very threads.
(It always reminded me of the old joke about the women complaining of the obscene phone call. "It was the most vulgar thing I ever heard. He must have gone on for an hour or more".)
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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For example the word stupid is derogatory. So the moment you use it your credibility drops.
That is just flat-out the dumbest thing I've ever heard, pal.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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de·rog·a·to·ry
dəˈräɡəˌtôrē/
adjective
showing a critical or disrespectful attitude. Source: google
The way it was used was as a put down.
Calling someone stupid just shuts down the discussion. Doesn't matter if you are correct in your a$$esment. It is better to prove why you think their ideas are false.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Calling someone stupid just shuts down the discussion. Doesn't matter if you are correct in your a$$esment. It is better to prove why you think their ideas are false. Unless they are too unintelligent to understand facts and logic. Or too pig headed to accept facts and logic. There IS a difference.
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WBraun
climber
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Calling someone stupid just shuts down the discussion.
Yer all stoopid!
Blah blah blah blah and that's why ..... :-)
End of discussion.
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