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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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make em work at the wall mart deli for ten years,
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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pinckbrown: I did not compose it
I didn't say you did.
However, I did say, in so many words, that posting drivel from the very same neocon propagandists who cranked out that stuff to destabilized the Mideast for a 'New American Century' - i.e. the crew who I'd point to as essentially having gifting us IS - seems naive in the extreme.
Guys like Bernard Lewis, Victor Hanson, and Daniel Pipes aren't wise informers; they're dangerous people with sufficient smarts to craft propaganda with no shortage of substantive plausibility throughout to get folks to buy into their less-than-clearly-stated agendas.
They don't inform; they by design inflame. In that respect they have a lot in common with Jerry Rubin in their role as the neocon 'brain trust'. It was always said you could drop Jerry off on any corner in the city and he'd get a riot going in no time at all. These guys played a similar role for the Neocons.
In other words, maybe consider not quoting the very guys who destabilized the region in the first place.
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couchmaster
climber
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It's a good point pinckbrown, thanks for sharing. Meanwhile in Seattle, we learn that they are not all Libs up there (Allah be praised but they do have multiculturalism) with the headline "Seattle cartoonist still in hiding following 2010 Islamist death threat":
Seattle cartoonist still in hiding following 2010 Islamist death threat
Cartoonists around the world reacted defiantly to Wednesday's deadly Islamist terror attack at the offices of a Paris magazine, but the case of Molly Norris shows how the attack and prior threats of similar violence have already had a chilling effect on journalists who use art to convey their stories.
Norris, a Seattle-based political cartoonist, has been in hiding for more than four years after she launched "Draw Muhammad Day," a call to professional and amateur artists alike to sketch the Islamic prophet whose image is forbidden by the Koran.
Norris was an obscure cartoonist and blogger who took action after the creators of the show South Park were targeted by Muslim extremists for an upcoming episode in which Muhammad was to be depicted. The hit show's producers caved to the pressure of death threats and blurred the image of Muhammad when the show aired.
“We are no longer a free country if we journalists can’t criticize a religion that, for example, believes apostates need to be killed.”
Norris' own cartoon image of Muhammad was never published in the Seattle Weekly, which often carried her work, but it went viral on the Internet. U.S. born Muslim cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki issued a fatwa, calling for the killing of Norris.
“We are no longer a free country if we journalists can’t criticize a religion that, for example, believes apostates need to be killed,” said Norris' onetime colleague, Larry Kelley.
Even though Norris backed off the idea for a “Draw Muhammad Day,” the bounty remained. She took her concerns to the FBI, and agents in the Seattle field office told her the threats on her life were legitimate. She was encouraged to go underground.
Seattle Weekly reported that Norris moved, changed her name and is living in hiding akin to the witness protection program. Editors have not heard from Norris and they have received no more cartoons from her.
One Seattle Muslim leader who tried unsuccessfully to have Norris participate in an open forum is angry that her freedom of speech was trampled on.
“I’m very upset that there would be people who would cause her to go into hiding,” says Jeff Siddiqui of American Muslims of Puget Sound. “I am somewhat upset that she got so fearful that she can’t respond to Muslims that are reaching out to her.”
Larry Kelley has tried to raise money for Norris. He created the Molly Norris Foundation. Fundraising has been slow, mainly because her story has not received much attention.
“It was like a one-day story, then it was gone,” says Kelley. “She went underground and that was it, gone. And most people don’t even know who Molly Norris is.”
Norris did, however, outlive the man who put a price on her head. Al-Awlaki was killed in 2011 in Yemen by a U.S. drone strike.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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thanks for sharing
Yeah, thanks for sharing the stuff that sowed the seeds for this very incident. Crikey.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Whether your post is reasonable or naive turns on your definition of "bad guys". The IS crew are 'bad guys', but they pale in the bad guy comparison with the neocons - IS is a symptom; the neocons were the root cause.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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I'm surprised women aren't more upset. They're the ones with most to lose. A good life for a woman in the Islamic World, is an early death after bearing an annual child for some years. A bad life, has her stoned for an imaginary infidelity by her husband.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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There are multiple incidents. Not even sure how many.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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That so called "symptom" of yours, is well versed at what it does and has been very active around this body called earth tenfold centuries longer than any of your supposed vile neocons have.
It is precisely that type naive mindset that prevailed prior to 2/26 and 9/11. And many many more incidents world wide prior to those stemming back some 1500-2000 years.
Dude, between climate change and this you're really batting a 1000.
What's the blog's title? "Not Even Wrong" - just suffering from a pretty serious temporal reasoning disorder.
There are multiple incidents. Not even sure how many.
Yeah, and this is exactly the sort of sh#t that happens when you destabilize a region along with chumming the water hard. This was utterly predictable in 1998-99 as an outcome if neocons won the Whitehouse given their incessant drumbeat for war.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Please keep posting those pics, Cheef/Ron, we don't quite get your genius theory...terrorists are bad!
Thanks for letting us know. And cancer, that's bad, too? maybe puts 30 pics about that.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Unhinged operates from the really racist proposition that those dumb brown people really couldn't be smart enough to cause all this trouble. It must be caused by some nefarious old white dudes 10,000 miles away.
The middle east has been in tribal turmoil since the beginning of time and suffered from the depredations of the death cult of the child molesting warlord for seven hundred years. Now they are for a second time invading Europe, this time instead of on horseback, by the invitation of politicians that want the support of a compliant, dependent underclass rt and a cheap labor pool.
It has backfired and they ended up with a toxic salad bowl instead of a melting pot.
And now the islamonazis have also appropriated the leftist's cause celebre of political correctness by carrying it to it's ultimate conclusion.
Murder those that offend you with their words.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Do you righties have a point? Any? Besides martini suggesting that liberal tolerance is the root cause...I think Fox has that dumb theory cornered.
I mean, you hint at it...why not just come out and say it?
Nuke the bastards?
Ban the religion?
What is it????
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Right, and the CALIPHATE down the street will be imposing SHARIA LAW on your neighborhood by next week at the latest.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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And naive? Really, you want to go there? Hey, one of the two of us was recently offered the lead technical architect job for the 2015 Baku Games in Azerbaijan because of our expat experience living and working in Islamic countries and I'm pretty sure it wasn't you.
Date: October 2, 2014 at 1:28:47 AM PDT
To: 'J Healy'
Subject: Baku 2015 - Lead Technical Architect
Hi Joseph,
I hope you are well?
I have heard from the team in Baku and am delighted to tell you that you are their preferred candidate for the Lead Technical Architect position.
I would like to set a call up so I can formalise the offer and go through the package, benefits and next steps with you. Please can you let me know when would be a suitable time for us to speak?
I look forward to hearing from you.
Many thanks and kindest regards,
Kim
Recruitment Operations Manager - London
Baku 2015 European Games
So yeah, one of us is an armchair typist...
P.S. Can you even find Baku on that map? (hint: it's about a 13 hour drive to IS)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Pretty simple, it has to do with one of the two of knows what the f*#k they are talking about and the other one is spewing starbucks bullshit - i.e. one of us is the armchair historian; the other one of us knows something about what the f*#k is happening over there and isn't you.
Again, your temporal cause and effect clock and logic are pretty f*#ked up, but then they're not running any better over on the climate change thread.
P.S. I'm only not there because I was persuaded to take a different gig that pays three times as well. Otherwise, I would be there now.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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You mean you stopped in ports and toured?
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chacha
Mountain climber
Fontainebleau, FRANCE
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The two fanatics who murdered 12 people in Paris two days ago were killed during an assault of the police 10 minutes ago. They had an hostage.
The other fanatic who had hostages (in a casher shop) in another place of Paris have been killed as well during the assault of the police.
We hope Paris will become quiet again now...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Good news chacha... keep your head on a swivel over there...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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So you did a bunch of csar ops in Bahrain? Bar fights?
Well, you've been in the neighborhood and on the streets so I'll give you that so you're not all armchair. Pretty f*#ked up opinions for someone who has. And the 1400 year jihad card? Bordering on stupid. Has about as much to do with what's going on over there as a caliphate does. Nothing, beyond a word bandied about.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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It was like a sports event, huh?
I'm so glad we got cable tv again last week - after two years of not having it. Riveting! lol
http://www.jesusandmo.net/
The silver lining to all this... Islam's undergoing its reformation... it's unfolding not just century to century but even hour to hour.
We're living in a new age, for sure. The power of today's electronic social media is mind-boggling. At a magnitude few or none predicted. Amazing!
I wish I could live another 100 years to see what comes of all this!!
Oh yeah, it's ovah for jehovah. :)
It was like a sports event, huh?
That's right. Super Bowl got's competition!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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You just make this sh#t up, right?
The right response has gone down, IS will now get pounded relentlessly be French Mirages, but the pot will stay heavily stirred across the region as a result of our actions in Iraq.
But again, even taking a historical perspective, this has little to do with jihad and caliphates, and every thing to do with the consequences of Europe's early colonizations of North Africa and the Mideast.
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