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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Dec 13, 2014 - 03:29pm PT
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Chris keep it like it is please, I have a learned a lot from some of the OT threads,, even those I have started.
I haven't read the entire thread, I am run down emotionally, with Jennie in a nursing home since November 11, not wanting to see me (DEMENTIA SUCKS), we were engaged on a beautiful sunny day (sometimes rare in Ireland) Sept 27, 2007, overlooking the Blasket Islands, Co Kerry. Now she doesn't want to know me. 63 is too young to be in a nursing home for the rest of her life, Her lifelong best friend Eileeen agrees with me.
Now she does no want to know me. Hopefully that will change. I will play it out, the ball is in her court, not mine, not the social worker's, not the doctors, but a lovely Irish woman name Jennie.
I like the forum, and for the first few years I would engage in OT debate, sometimes I would post stupid comments. But I learned. I still think it is the best climbing forum around (with all due respect to SummitPost, Mountain Project, Climbing.ie, UK climbing, and most other climbing forums, for the matter, most other any kind of forums).
So in keeping with the spirit of the Taco Stand , some limited views of climbing.
My email to ChrisMac today…
Howdy Chris
I start threads with OT and what I hope is an indicative thread head. If people are interested they will click on, if not just ignore.
Believe me, I would love to start more climbing-related threads, it just is these past few years in Ireland have been difficult, being full-time primary carer for my Irish partner Jennie.
Since her illness struck over four years ago I have had to give up a planned ice climbing trip to Ben Nevis, and had to nix both my Day Skipper course (Irish Sailing Association) and a scuba course.
But on the political and other non-climbing threads of recent years, I tend not to post.
Thanks for Supertopo Chris, I have bought some of your guides. I should have stayed back home in California, instead of moving to Ireland 19 years ago. All well, c'est la vie.
An elderly Wexford gent (where we live now, Ballytrent, a minute's walk from the Celtic Sea, great for the kayak and some good beach boulders about 20 minutes up the beach), I said to him…
"Phil, I have made a lot of mistakes in my life."
"Patrick, a man who says he has never made a mistake, is a man who has not made anything."
Cheers and best wishes Chris
Patrick
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Dec 13, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
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Thanks for the voice of reason John Gill. I completely agree with you. I have no interest in another trip report on the third pillar of mt Dana. The climate change thread on the other hand has at times been fascinating. Same with the mind thread.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 13, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
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For the most part, I really don't care much if someone posts using a real name or an avatar. What matters to me is what someone has to say, and how they say it.
I have sincere doubts that a 'real name' policy (by itself) is going to do much to curb some of the bullshit that goes on at ST. Amongst my fellow polititards, there are two in particular who use their real names, are generally in a similar ideologic camp, and yet they are as diametrically different in their communication styles as anyone could find here at ST- one is incredibly articulate & respectful...the other is one of most regular sources of ST vitriole & hatred. Likewise, one can find the same paradoxes amongst avatar-users.
There are lots of avatar-users here of which I have no idea what their real identity is- in many cases, I would have never known who they were unless someone else had replied in a thread using their real name. (At least two examples are on this page & the last.) My respect for these people existed before I happened to learn who they were- they had demonstrated their respect for others & articulation of ideas while using what some would define as the use of a 'cowardly' avatar.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Dec 13, 2014 - 04:11pm PT
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Please guys, this thread IMO is turning into what ChrisMac was trying to point out.
Let's keep it civil. Don't we all have enough on our hands (I certainly do) in keeping our heads above water.
I like the forum the way it is.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Dec 13, 2014 - 04:30pm PT
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Please guys, this thread IMO is turning into what ChrisMac was trying to point out.
Maybe that was his point.
Edit: TOO SOON LOCKER!!!!
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Dec 13, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
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Locker - The Chief, and anyone else who needs to read this again:
(Please note number 2 below.)
Chris McNamara
SuperTopo staff member
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 4, 2014 - 10:29am PT
We recently deleted the Fergusson thread for a few reasons:
1) The thread had very little to do with mission of the SuperTopo forum which is intended to be a "friendly and informative resource for climbers of all skill levels and experience to get information about climbing and climbing destinations.”
2) The thread was devolving into personal attacks. While we constantly wrestle with our comfort of having a climbing forum be occasionally overrun with heated political debate, we are very clear that we never want the forum to become a platform for personal attacks. Please help us to keep personal attacks off the forum by emailing me.
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scooter
climber
fist clamp
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Dec 13, 2014 - 04:49pm PT
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Delete all threads that don't revolve around adventure, climbing, the alpine environment and pursuits linked too it.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Dec 13, 2014 - 05:36pm PT
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When does OT become so far off that it doesn't belong?
there is only one answer, which 99% of posters will be in agreement with:
there are certain individuals who treat this board as their own personal messaging service and engage in the same circular discussions with the same foes virtually ad infinitum. because of the simplicity of this board, where the most recent post goes to the top, this type of behaviour is intrinsically problematic to the 99% of people who are here to be exposed to fresh perspectives, to hear new voices, new thoughts, new stories, etc.
ironically, most of the time these individuals either post under their own name or don't try to hide their real identity. and so the above has nothing to do with anonymity, but has still been a perennial issue for as long as i've been here. and i'm sure it probably goes back to the advent of the board whether it was Aleister Crowley, Dr. F, LEB, Fattrad, or their current manifestations who everyone knows, but i won't name.
again the issue with any of these individuals isn't what they post, it's how much they post. if they could just put a limiter on it, there would be no issue. even the most obvious trolls and rabble rousers can be quite funny and even informative sometimes.
but if someone needs to average 20 or even 10 posts a day to get their points across, they should probably be looking into some english or logic classes. or at least doing a little more pm'ing...
that's why while every proposed solution upthread, with the exception of Big Mike's choose your own home page route, is going to have significant pros and cons, the one change that has no down side to the board [that i can see] is to put a post limit per person per day [including deletions]... i became convinced of this after messing around with some numbers a couple years ago
the one downside for the management would be that it would likely cause some to create more avatars... but this should be no more difficult to deal with than the current possibility of someone who has been banned creating a new fake id...
the alternative to making some type of change is to just continue to have a thread like this on average of about once every three months... /s
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Dec 13, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
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It's pretty easy People.
Choose an active state of posting over a reactive one...
and you are good to go!
Disclaimer: This may not make any sense to people with an 8th grade mentality or less regarding their "fun" on the internet.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Dec 14, 2014 - 06:38am PT
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Be part of the problem.
7 words
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crankster
Trad climber
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Dec 14, 2014 - 07:18am PT
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Embrace politics, don't fear it. It effects climbing more than you know...
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Dec 14, 2014 - 07:35am PT
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Eliminate the racist & you will end most of the problems.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 14, 2014 - 08:08am PT
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^^^
Boy, ain't that the truth.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Dec 14, 2014 - 09:03am PT
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My (other) two cents:
The forum is good enough as it is.
Although the original question was how to limit name-calling and personal attacks, there have been a lot of suggestions on what to do about OT pushing climbing off the front page. I believe that we as users can
go to previous pages
comment or bump climbing content
ignore OT threads
read TRs
greasemonkey
other stuff
We can individually and collectively improve SuperTopo with what is already available.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 14, 2014 - 09:27am PT
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Dingus pointed out the Shangri La Trip Report and I gotta say, I love the opening quote of the TR:
“We climbers are tribal. It sounds trite, but it is true. The brotherhood of the rope is real. It spans the globe, cultures, bitter national rivalries, languages. Climbers from the world over gather around a fire and by virtue of common experience and shared passion, they know they sit with brother and sister.” –DMT
I thought it appropriate somehow.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Dec 14, 2014 - 10:29am PT
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the riff-raff and off topic
bickering and other hoopla
well round this place,
in my opinion.
kinda like hardship complements
an ascent.
varying sensations adorn
visitors here,
depending on the collective
mood of our tribe.
don't take away
the frowns,
they are a necessary part
of this emotional circus.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Dec 14, 2014 - 11:53am PT
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More Norwegian, less Ron.
Problem solved.
Edit:
Case in point:
Many of you live for the OT stuff like crankster
I don't post OT topics, simple as that.
The guy who posts the most OT threads on the forum, many of them extremely inflammatory and reflective of his membership in an armed militia, acts surprised and victimized that he's attacked in those threads.
General rule...don't post trolling, partisan threads. It's possible to have a civil conversation if you start with a civil topic. i think 99% of forum members would comply.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Dec 14, 2014 - 12:55pm PT
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Bingo-Two Red cards to start off with!
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