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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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^^^great video!!! The commentary is so funny and typical, "oh yea. keep going, yeeeehaaa!!!" Thanks Wilbeer for posting, the Teton's are so incredible. Truly an epicenter of skiing in NA. Steve S. you're a blessed skier to live in such a place. Happy and safe trails everyone this winter, enjoy.
Charlie D.
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east side underground
climber
Hilton crk,ca
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France rules...... the sierra can't really compete with the alps but here's our own little slice of cham on the eastside...
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2014 - 08:41am PT
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I am not comparing disciplines ,but,you definitely are welcome to.
Like what has been said here.
It is 40 and raining here today.
Man,Daydreaming of the Tetons .Hear you Charlie.
DMT ,someone stole that pebble from me almost the exact same way.Still ski with him.....lol.I thought the Asolo Summit Doubles were the thing .
Sempervirens mentioned the Andrew McLean article on AT vs Tele,I remember it was somewhat harsh,but funny.Some quotes that have fueled this thread;http://unofficialnetworks.com/2011/11/telemarking-huh
Like I have said,Whatever blows your hair back.
Hoping it is going to be a nor'easter.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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I wouldnt have a problem with tele skiers if they would simply admit the sh#t sucks but they like it anyway.
Instead many try to blow smoke up my ass in an effort to somehow convince me its as good or superior to better equipment. Seriously?! Hell even split boards are a better system.
I did try it once and I could do it decently but it was like climbing in Robbins boots.. at best. I did get a few turns in that felt uniquely satisfying and "swooshy" but I have zero desire to do it again
I used to care for some unknown reason but now it's just ...whatever. I actually do appreciate the enthusiasm for the arena that we share.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2014 - 08:55am PT
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Yes,the stuff sucks.
But I care anyway...lol.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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there have been many many times when the ski area slopes in VT were grade 1 ice climbs and i have seen a fair bit of lift serviced grade 2 ice ;)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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They also race VW Bugs but they're not a real threat to Mercedes, Williams, and McLaren.
signed,
Dunboth
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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I came to realize I only liked to tele in powder. Then its magic. The rest of the time sorta sucked.
Well that helps avoid wasting much time skiing...
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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I came to realize I only liked to tele in powder. Then its magic. The rest of the time sorta sucked.
You should try Corn ....
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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I care damnit.....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Do you also drive a Bug? ;-)
As long as yer happy.
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raymond phule
climber
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got into tele because shaped skis took all the skill out of alpining. Skiing at the resort had become boring. Having a half functioning binding and making going down the hill more inefficient seemed like a good way to make skiing interesting again. I was right.
I think the complete opposite. The shaped skis resulted in the possibility for much more interesting skiing in all kind of conditions at the resort and I believe that the wide of piste skis did the same in the mountains.
The main problem I see with tele is that it works ok and is fun in very good conditions, powder och easy packed snow, but is a definitive drawback (or you need to be very very good at it) in a lot of conditions, ice, heavy snow, powder with harder snow at the top (whatever it is called), changing conditions between hard and soft etc.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2014 - 06:14am PT
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Thank You ,Karen.
Great form there in that picture,really,carrying the case of beer straight down the fall line.
Style in pow.
Raymond,whilst I agree Tele skiing can be tough in adverse conditions,I am a disciple of Paul Parker who has said"There is no such thing as bad snow ,only bad skiers"
There are an awful lot of telemark skiers that have lived this philosophy.Skiing every type of snow there is.
Steve Shea mentioned that earlier about skiing different conditions all within one run. I have never seen that much out west,but ,man,I have seen a ton of it back east here.
http://www.descender.com/issue3/parker.html
Damn,where is the snow?Looks like Shea and Cragar are in some.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2014 - 06:19am PT
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See the bloke on the left ,a BC skier.
The guy on the right ,not so much,but he does have proper frontcountry form,aye?
LOL....
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Ha!!! Wilbeer those stabs may knock your teeth out, be careful!!! Such great fun we have as skiers!!!
I was a long time tele skier and true believer. I started out in the late 70's with Europa 99's and high leather boots and took advantage of all the advancements in gear through the years. I spent most of my time in the backcountry but found as the equipment improved I spent more and more time at the resort.
About 4 years ago I went on a long ski tour in the southern Sierra and developed a nasty cist on my ankle due to my ill fitting Garmount boots. After surgery I was in the market for new boots and made the decision to get AT gear. I must admit it was partly due to peer pressure having so many of my old smelly tele hippy friends going to AT gear. I took the plunge and I totally dig it.
I unlike some of the great tele skiers I know had a deep knee bend. My oldest son who is an awesome skier (skied the Grand on tele gear) has a higher stance and unless you look closely he appears to be on alpine gear. I found myself getting worn out even on powder days at the resort by mid afternoon. Now I can do full credit days back to back and I moving toward my mid 60's.
There's only so many turns you will do in your life, my plan is to do them as long as I possibly can. AT gear for at least me has given my legs and knees some more time, just wish there was some magic for the rest of my parts.
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B^) nice turns eh Steve S.?
Cheers,
Charlie D.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2014 - 07:22am PT
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Well said,Charlie.
But,Teeth,Left 1/2 of em' in Canada.[sad hockey joke here.....lol]
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steve shea
climber
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Charlie, I agree on the stiff more sensitive gear adding longevity to your skiing. With my alpine set up I can rest on the handle bars so to speak. 150, plug boots. I recently had a knee replacement and tried 130, too soft, I had to work more using the muscle groups from my low back to my feet bringing on fatigue I don't normally feel. So back to my 150's no problem. Interesting huh? Sort of Counter intuitive, one would think the cusher boot at first would be easier on the body. Not so for me.
Its a mechanical advantage. You use much less knee in upright stance (the boot)in a stiff boot. And you need much more pressure and knee with soft boot resulting in more work. That's why most modern alpine boots do NOT have much ramp angle. (forward attitude).
Remember when you were a little kid and your Dad would block your bike pedals. If you were too small you were at full dorsiflexion? hardly able to reach the pedal on a down stroke. The block filled the space giving a mechanical advantage. Same with an upright stiff boot.
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raymond phule
climber
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Raymond,whilst I agree Tele skiing can be tough in adverse conditions,I am a disciple of Paul Parker who has said"There is no such thing as bad snow ,only bad skiers"
There are an awful lot of telemark skiers that have lived this philosophy.Skiing every type of snow there is.
Yes, it is of course possibly to do that if you are good enough but I prefer the gear that give me (in some conditions) a huge advantage. I prefer to make nice carving turns instead of trying to just get down on some descent.
I really don't see the point with using more difficult gear when the gear don't have any advantages. I just don't think that the tele turn is better or cooler or whatever that it is worth the effort to use teleskis.
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