Crass Sexisim in Route Names

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Tvash

climber

Seattle

Nov 20, 2014 - 01:25pm PT

choosing not to be offended by something is easier than it sounds, and much easier than the alternative. Dont waste energy on things you cant change.

Scott_Nelson

Trad climber

Boulder, CO

Nov 20, 2014 - 01:57pm PT

This is supposed to be an area classic:

http://www.thecrag.com/climbing/australia/blue-mountains/the-zigzag/route/13173571

Spider Savage

Mountain climber

The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles

Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2014 - 09:11pm PT

This all came about as someone recently dropped a poop-bomb of a name in the middle of one of my favorite crags.

So senseless.

It's like...

Someone took a crap on the ground and didn't bury it, right in front of a route.

Spray painted graffiti on the route.

Left trash, cig butts, KFC bones and wrappers, chewing gum, etc. at the base of the route.

Spider Savage

Mountain climber

The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles

Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2014 - 09:15pm PT

And Furthermore...

Things WILL change for the better.

Looking back over history we humans have treated each other like crap.

But we freed the slaves.

Gave women the right to vote.

And some day in the future... all this sexist bull-pucky will end.

No more cat-calls.

No more crass comments (even to each other).

Just respect for others.

WBraun

climber

Nov 20, 2014 - 09:19pm PT

But we freed the slaves.

You didn't free sh!t.

You're still a slave ......

Spider Savage

Mountain climber

The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles

Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2014 - 09:20pm PT

Trying to be brief Werner.

WBraun

climber

Nov 20, 2014 - 09:22pm PT

Gave women the right to vote.

For the same loon criminals men vote for.

Oh boy .....

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Nov 20, 2014 - 09:25pm PT

More PC route names is like emancipation and women's suffrage?

I wonder how many african americans and women would agree with that assessment?

Just how ridiculous is this going to get, anyway?

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Nov 20, 2014 - 10:34pm PT

in this country, at least, there is the first amendment right to free speech, and route names would be covered there, most likely.

certainly "crass sexism" wouldn't be grounds to limit speech, traditionally the issue has been "obscenity" and "pornography" which have been notoriously tricky to define and whose definitions have changed with time...
1896
"...to deprave or corrupt those whose minds are open to such immoral influences, and into whose hands a publication of this sort may fall."

1957
"whether to the average person, applying contemporary community standards, the dominant theme of the material, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest."

1964
"I know it when I see it".

1973
(a)...‘the average person, applying contemporary community standards’ would find the work, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,...(b)...the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law, and (c)...the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

2002
First Amendment freedoms are most in danger when the government seeks to control thought or to justify its laws for that impermissible end. The right to think is the beginning of freedom, and speech must be protected from the government because speech is the beginning of thought.

so is seems that this is not going in the direction that the OP recommends.

The OP appeals for "decency" ("behavior that conforms to accepted standards of morality or respectability")

You CAN think of something better.

Even if your mind is completely testosterone poisoned into the gutter. You can look about life and find other aesthetic, symbolic and inspiring words to use.

Our sons, daughters, wives, girlfriends, etc. deserve a better world.

in an activity that has a history of not conforming to "accepted standards" of anything... the plea to protect "our sons, daughters, wives, girlfriends..." is a common one, but what is it that we are protecting them from.

It could be turned around and become a "teachable moment" for our kids if the topic comes up, and I'd like to think our "wives and girlfriends" are a bit more sophisticated and worldly, at least enough to cope with route names...

Sibylle Hetchel's article on the first all women's ascent of El Capitan was submitted with the title "Walls without Balls" but that was rejected by the same appeal made in the OP, it was presumed that the membership of the AAC might be offended.

"Untitled. The American Alpine Journal," 19(1), 62 - 66, (1974)

Perhaps the editors of AAJ were correct in their assessment, it took Jeff Lowe to publish the article with the title Rocky Mountain Octopussy a little more than 20 years later... the "racey-ist" title in the intervening period...

Couldn't Jello have come up with a better name? Apparently, by then, the editors thought it was ok to use his title...

where do you want to go with this?
it sounds awfully strange coming from climbers.

Or maybe we're not the same anymore.

Perhaps you could sue a guidebook author, and the guidebook publisher for using offensive route names, appeal to the highest court and get the opinion of the Supremes...

John M

climber

Nov 20, 2014 - 11:07pm PT

perhaps you are just joking and I am completely missing the point, but I can't for the life of me figure out where you could have gotten this from the posts on this thread. All that I wanted to do was to say that I didn't care for some of the names used and wish that people would dial it back. And I'm willing to bet that the others on this thread who don't like this feel the same way.

BuddhaStalin

climber

Truckee, CA

Nov 20, 2014 - 11:24pm PT

Good god, it just stinks like pussy in here. Not in a good way.

matisse

climber

Nov 20, 2014 - 11:54pm PT

what a massive temper tantrum when someone dares to suggest that maybe just maybe you dial it back a bit.

Not the raunchy stuff, the misogynist stuff. WHHAAAAAA.

death by paper cuts boys.

to quote the most excellent Phil Plait:
it’s just an ad.

It’s just a saying.

It’s just a TV show.

It’s just the Internet.

Yes, but you almost make as much as a man does.

It’s just a catcall.

It’s a compliment!

It’s just that boys will be boys.

It’s just that she’s a slut.

It’s just that your dress is too short.

It’s just that we want to know what you were wearing at the time, ma’am.

It’s just it’s just it’s just.

It’s just a death by a thousand cuts. No one cut does the deed. In the end, they all do.

you can read the original here:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/11/17/casual_sexism_when_a_shirt_is_more_than_a_shirt.html

wallyvirginia

Trad climber

Stockholm, Sweden

Nov 21, 2014 - 12:26am PT

Thank you Matisse!

John M - Exactly.

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Nov 21, 2014 - 04:59am PT

It's amazing how much self importance this thread is full of from a few individuals.

Do yourself a favor, do us a favor, get out of climbing.

It's entertaining at least. I set the bait for the OP, and he took it, hook, line, and sinker. So did someone else.

Welcome to the new age climber. The softer, gentler climber.

What a crock. These pretentious better than everyone else types are becoming the norm.

I started climbing over 20 years ago. I have never felt offended by route names or have I ever met a women who was either. Hell, we even named an area the PMS wall since the woman we were climbing with was on her period and had to go back to her car to get unmentionables. I say unmentionables so I won't offend anyone (gasp). I promise you the routes names were great. Let's see, The Rag, Put a Plug in it, and let's not forget the Axe Wound. There were several more.

I can just see Silly Savage and John M, the great caretakers of morality rewriting guide books with "intelligent" and "sensitive" names.

Here's a few: The Happy Hamster, Hug My Mommy, Skip To My Lou, I Need to Stop Sleeping With My Sister.

Go back to your gyms and hug each other there.

clinker

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, California

Nov 21, 2014 - 05:59am PT

I have never felt offended by route names or have I ever met a women who was either.

So your friends aren't refined or sensitive, maybe comedians?

Speaking of comedians, how bout naming a route "Wholesome Raper" for Cosby or a local pastor who got away from God.

We have bigger social problems than route naming.

To control or not to control?

rlf

Trad climber

Josh, CA

Nov 21, 2014 - 06:04am PT

Nope, were not the exactly a sensitive crowd. Area and route names usually come up spur of the moment. All's it takes is one comment from someone and the idea is born. Are all route and area names "insensitive", nope. Just depends on the moment.

My main objection to this thread is the pretentious attitude of a few delicate flowers.