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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Links, please.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"prohibiting minors from firing automatic weapons wouldn't really bother me."
And if you've bothered to read most of this thread, that's exactly what has been discussed & proposed. Nothing more.
But you paranoid GunNutz® find this to be a slippery slope towards the jackbooted Obama thugs kicking down your doors and taking away every gun you own.
You guys are off-the-charts f*#king paranoid, and completely irrational.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Hey, how about that 11yo who died because the draws were incorrectly assembled? Did you whine about new legislation for that, or just write it off as another horrible accident? Totally preventable.
 I'm not a gun nut...
I wasn't whining, because no gun nut was whining about it...
If the gun nuts don't want regulations that make guns safer objects....
I think they deserve what they get every time.
no regs = this stuff continues...
More regs = maybe this is prevented...?
I don't know... it hasn't been tried yet in the greatest nation no the planet.....
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"An accident is an accident is an accident"
Yep, they're all the same.
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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passing laws does not reduce unwanted behavior because bad or dumb people don't follow laws
example: seat belt laws, people should be free of the Nanny State and don't need Big Government
protecting them from their themselves, let the Free Market sort it all out
example: traffic laws, again these are dumb laws because bad or dumb people do not follow laws
example: supposed "gun control laws", bad and dumb people don't follow laws, therefore we don't no any laws, in fact all gun laws should be repealed because bad people don't follow laws
especially all back ground checks, you can buy any weapon right out of your local newspaper with no background check required so why impose burdensome government regulation on the hard working Federally Licensed Firearm Dealers? It just cuts into their time selling guns anyway.
The more i think about it all makes sense, we just don't need any Nanny State stupid laws.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Ron - Think about what you wrote... then again... false equivalence...
Can the minor one day off the couch jump onto 13c OTD R/X?
In order to put this in context...
I take my 9 year old climbing one day...
She's been climbing before...
I am confident she can climb on her own...
So I send her up a 5.13C R/X.... solo....?
You wouldn't, neither would any one else, and here you are the only one making that case...
Let's recap in your world...
I take my 9 year old gunnin'/shootin' one day...
She's been gunnin'/shootin' before...
I am confident she can shoot on her own...
So I handed her an Uzi.... solo....?
You might....
I wouldn't.... And I point out that guns are the reason these deaths occur... take the guns out of the equation and how many people get to live per year, again?
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WBraun
climber
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You Americans are some of the stupidest people on the planet.
You have more laws then anywhere else.
Your whole consciousness is based and rooted in stupidity.
Raise your consciousness and all your stupid idiocy will become minimized and with very few laws required.
Instead you idiots try to force everything by writing more laws.
Stupid Americans .......
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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I know, right? It's annoying and sometimes late at night I drive the opposite way in the valley to get to el cap. There's no one around who cares? Just another dumb law I know what I can and cannot do I am an adult.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"people get all incensed when a gun's involved."
Maybe that's because it happens so goddam regularly and affects so many innocent people?????????????????????????????
Shocking!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"An accident is an accident is an accident"
Yep, they're all the same.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Maybe that's because it happens so goddam regularly and affects so many innocent people?????????????????????????????
How many incidents like this thread's subject-incident have happened? Ever?
And you get "goddam regularly" from that?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Oh... ROFLLLLL
You guys just lump "everything bad-gun" all together and then use this hodge-podge to justify getting all incensed over what is really a virtually isolated incident.
Guns ARE dangerous. No debate.
Climbing is dangerous, yet how MANY of you allow your sub-16 year-old kid lead? You think that's SAFE... in ANY scenario?
Skiing is dangerous, yet how many of you taught your kids to ski at a tiny age?
Is a 16 year-old SAFE to drive? Really?
It's ALL relative. Accidents happen. Get over it.
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Degaine
climber
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Ron Anderson wrote:
So that is 3 deaths from autos and alcohol. Somehow, this will be perfectly acceptable.
Please quote, link, or reference the post (or posts) where anyone stated that deaths as the result of drunk driving are acceptable (or "perfectly acceptable").
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WBraun
climber
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madbolter1 always has good brain.
apogee not very good brain .....
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Let's revisit this issue when your kid (or one you are very close to) gets their head shot off by an out-of-control Uzi that was put into their hands by a moronic parent. (Perhaps even yourself.)
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"I'm saying when an accident involves a firearm, some of you guys come unhinged."
Maybe that's because it happens so goddam regularly and affects so many innocent people?????????????????????????????
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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What I thought was tragically funny (in a morbid, climbing humor sort of way) about that "how it happened" video regarding Tito is this:
When I learned to climb, we used double-biners on a bolt (in line). No draws. Just flat-out simple.
But then draws were invented to make even slinging between a couple of biners so much better. Then we had incidents of draw failure. Then we had incidents of cross-loaded biners failing.
So, we make draws more complicated by introducing "retainers" and such to keep everything where it should be.
And what do we get as we more and more "improve" the system? Human error.
I took about a million falls (give or take, lol) during the last four decades, and I've never had catastrophic equipment failure... always used just double-biners on bolts. But, you know, we've just got to more and more complicate a simple system to make it "better." Complicate it, and more and more human error crops up.
Oh well, you know, accidents happen. Get over it.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Most any liberty-tard knows damn well that an 8 y/o using an Uzi is just not ok. Of course, there's a few that actually believe it is ok...but they are thankfully a small, psychotic percentage (that should be medicated and watched closely).
So for those liberty-tards that know this isn't ok, they don't have any retort to a situation like this except to draw false equivalencies, and try to change the subject. Bottom line, as DMT pointed out yesterday, is that they are scared to death that any kind of gun regulation...even some they'd probably agree with...with result in the gubmint taking away all their precious gunz.
(As long as we're repeating ourselves....)
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Werner, it sounds as though maybe you would like to move to a different country. What's the hold-up?
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