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Rankin
Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
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GPS collars on dogs is the new preferred technique for hunters. Who needs sport, when you can just let the dog and technology do all of the work. Totally lame on so many levels. . .
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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So... in Tennessee
We were the only place turkeys were still found in the 60's. As for deer, it used to look like a football game rush hour opening morning trying to get to the cumberland mountains (we would allow deer hunting and opened the gates for the season).
We also have participated in the Elk and Black Bear reintroductions to this mountain range.
So what is the argument on modern man decreasing wildlife numbers while following the laws?
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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DMT thread drift post:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Just messin' with you DMT. You're all square in my book. Still, I'd bet 5 dollars, you once sported a mullet or two, and you probably scare your daughters with the pictures. If you post one up here I'll buy you a cheeseburger and a pitcher if you are ever in this neck of the woods.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Maybe I'm trying to be too pragmatic. The point of hunting ultimately seems to be killing things. If using a dog means you get there more efficiently, and more sustainably, more power to you. Still, we've gone from hunting for need, to hunting for sport.
I venture that there is a part of us all that digs the trophy, and chicks (at least at one time, or in some places), dug the manliness of it all too. Glad to hear that you got out of the woods, but I wonder if humans will generally.
It seems like there is a bit of the dog in all of us, but then we can make choices too. Finally, I'd rather see your cousin chasing bears with his dogs through the mountains, than mountains with their tops missing. Hopefully, there are issues on which we all can agree.
edit: sorry for the mullet comment
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Dingus- I usually wear a t-shirt, usually natural/subtle colors. Sometimes it is GO VOLS color
As, Greg Brown once stated, "scientifically clean just like they came out of o'll LL Bean".
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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I prefer to hunt bare. With a sharp stick in one hand and a rock in the other.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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And yes, used a 25-35 from 1890 to dispatch most of them. My uncle bought it from an Indian in the early 50's.
I don't use it often because the shells are hard to find!
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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We also have a lot of people who really enjoy their meat. They go down to the store and pick it up in neatly wrapped little packages that look nothing like the animal they came from. They take it home and grill it up and think nothing of the fact that it was once a living thing.
How convenient it is not to have to face up to the animal you're eating.
Shoot one, maybe have to finish it because the first shot wasn't perfect. Then gut it. Drag it off the mountain, butcher it. Tell me there wouldn't be more vegetarians.
Old rifle? Check. Grandpa's 30-06, pump action. Neither the best action, nor the most accurate configuration compared to modern arms. 357 single action wheel gun as backup, cause last year the 06 failed to fire twice. Binoculars? Sure. $35 at Big5. Boots? Second-hand from someone they don't fit anymore. Tent? Yeah... tarps and PVC, with a home-welded woodstove cause I couldn't afford to buy one. Camo? Yeah. A 7 year old jacket, and cheap cotton pants from Walmart. In weather that was at least -20, cause it froze the -20 gallon of washer fluid.
Let's see, how else can I meet the ever-increasingly-difficult-to-meet criteria of ethical hunting?
Cow tag, cause I want the meat. No trophy there. Total cost of hunt, including license, tag, gas, food (half of which was given to me because it was about to expire), less than buying half an organic cow.
Two days hunting, spot and stalk within range on top of a ridge two miles from camp, half a mile uphill from the road, then drag the whole damn animal down the mountain half a mile to the road through sage and snow, had to put a camp stove under my engine for half a day and jump it off the 2nd truck to get it started.
But hey, I didn't use a dog. So maybe I earned it, or maybe I'm just a heartless bastard out hunting for sport.
Hell, I don't know why it even bothers me, these threads...
I guess because of the general loathing you guys seem to have for hunters in general. The idea that you think they all fit into the same category. And then you go buy a slab of bacon. Yeah. That's it.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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I have read that some folks are scared of hogs, "that they are dangerous".
I have been treed once (I was 6 years old) not sure why grown men still consider them a threat?
I just see them as an environmental threat.
Help me wipe them out!
I do make sure I have a tree to climb when I shoot into a herd that is very close!
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jonnyrig- don't take any of this nonsense personal, but keep talking!
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Well, hell... the less I say the better probably. Less talking, more climbing.
Why? Because some people would be happy as a clam to outlaw it. After all, we're only doing it for fun, right? Couple hundred pounds of meat in the freezer got nothing to do with it...
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Come on dude... who would care if we were out trapping roaches to coat 'em in chocolate and deep fry 'em with the twinkies?
Nobody.
But, now, take a cute furry mammal... BLAMO! Cruel.
Charismatic megafauna. People get all worked up over 'em.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Sarcasm.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Dingus-
I view it as a sport that i have cherished with my father for 30 years.
We chase dogs around all day, sometimes we get a critter and somedays we don't.
At the end of the day I am sitting with my dad (who is in his 70's) and hearing stories about his passion. Watching his dogs run.
I would not trade any of these times for anything.
Watching the sunset over the Wolf Creek Range, and saying "hell", I think they dropped into Mission Coulee! Here we go again!
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Yeah... keep yer mouth shut if ya know what's good for ya. Nice.
I think people would get offended at pictures of dead critters, so, for the most part I don't post them.
Anyway, time for me to sign off. Gotta work in the morning.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Both jonnyrig's and DMT's long posts each had a lot of truth and heart in them. Thanks for those.
Life feeds on life and there has always been a food chain as long as critters have been around. Whatever you choose to eat or however, enjoy the fact that you're eating. Treeing animals is weak in my view, but who the f*#k am I. See y'all in the morning.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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The territory I grew up on chasing dogs and hoping for birds!
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