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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 17, 2013 - 05:10pm PT

Yeah, that's totally true when one ignores the examples of Russia and China and Eastern Europe and North Korea and Cuba, and ...

Nope. It is always introduced as Socialism for the people's good!

EDIT:
venesuala has turned itself around brilliantly in the last 15 years under the direction of socialist not sold out to blueeys pride and joy

nowhere on the globe matches their achievements in the reduction of poverty and the advancement of education and healthcare

no wonder the capitalists are pissed...

Do you follow geo-politics? Venezuela is seizing private businesses by the gov't! They are actually turning from communism into a fascist State.

Look it up!
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 17, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
Venezuela is still part of opec!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 17, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
Venezuela is still part of opec!


And I hear they're still part of South America, so what????

And BTW, I had an awesome Emergency+4 Lunchbox when I was a lad. It was one of my fav's.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 17, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
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Let's hear a compelling counterargument to Dinish.




Pcutler

climber
Iowa
Nov 17, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
My old man always taught me that the good lord saw fit to give you two things for free. Air and water. Everything else in life that you want you'd better go and get yourself.

Nothing is free in the world - including health care. If you want it you'd better be willing to work for it.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 17, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
Do you follow geo-politics? Venezuela is seizing private businesses by the gov't! They are actually turning from communism into a fascist State.

What a shock. Probably because there is little if any difference between the two

Curt
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
Your old man was wrong. 1 out of every 8 people on the planet do not have access to safe and clean drinking water...free or not. 99% of all fatalities from drinking water occur in the third world.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 17, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
My old man always taught me that the good lord saw fit to give you two things for free. Air and water. Everything else in life that you want you'd better go and get yourself.

Nothing is free in the world - including health care. If you want it you'd better be willing to work for it.


Sometimes we have to look back in history to see how ours will unfold. Yer old man was wise.

edit;
Your old man was wrong. 1 out of every 8 people on the planet do not have access to safe and clean drinking water...free or not. 99% of all fatalities from drinking water occur in the third world.

Hey Jim, what would fix that problem? Who is responsible for fixing it? What caused that problem?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 17, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
You mean,better than the one he himself inadvertently presents?

No need.

Where is Dinesh wrong?
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 17, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
Curt...

Just curious...

Why do you sign "Curt"???...

You're name's right next to your post...

???...

Hey Locker,

Good question.

Curt
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 17, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
we should have no public education, no public police and fire services and no public roads - to but name a few. No public libraries, either. That is the natural conclusion to what you are putting forth.



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 17, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
It does not sound to me as though they brought in on consult anyone who particularly knows his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to healthcare.

They are "progressives" and they went to Harvard or Yale.

(and never were contaminated by having a real productive job)

Who are you to question their judgement?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 17, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
he Atlantic reports that in practice, this means that a married couple in New York making more than a combined $62,040 gets no subsidies from Obamacare. But two people who live together without getting married? They can make up to a combined $91,920 and still get subsidies from the government.

The government has a clear and compelling interest in promoting marriage: Virtually all of the research shows that stable marriages increase economic output, reduce poverty, shrink income inequality, lower rates of incarceration and drug use, and spur the creation of future taxpayers (aka babies). The tax code already discriminates against the government's interest by providing an economic incentive for couples to choose cohabitation over marriage. Now Obamacare has come along to magnify the discrimination.

It's not clear whether this perversity is accidental or by design. But it's yet another line item in the argument against what is clearly the most catastrophic piece of legislation in modern American history

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/penalty-marriage-obamacare_767194.html
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 17, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
If you - or anyone else - opposes public healthcare, why are you not also opposing public education? Public roads? Public police services? On what basis do you make this distinction? What is your criteria. Using your logic, we should not pay to send poor people's children to public schools? Actually that is a rather good question given some of the outcomes of various schools but such is another issue altogether issue having nothing to do with what we are addressing, at hand.

What if someone never worked a day in his life but he goes to the library and checks out a book? He did not pay one cent for that book yet he read it cover to cover? Have you been violated? Blue, TGT, others? Why are you OK with public education and public police protection but you are NOT OK with public healthcare. On what basis do you make the distinction?


Ever read the Constitution? I know many of you want to throw it away, but it's still the defining legal document that dictates how our gov't operates.

The Federal Government is tasked with few things in the Constitution. Among those are a military, a postal service, and regulation of the States and commerce.

Since when did the Fed have the authority to mandate that a person buy something from the State or the Fed? And fine them when they refused!

Tyranny. Pure and simple.

EDIT:
Water has never ever been free. Not in the history of the world.

DMT

Explain.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 17, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
They don't know the difference between a local school board, county or city government and a Washington bureaucrat.

Local control is anathema.

Rule by a central plutocracy?

sacred.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 17, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
People are f*#king stupid and want to govern with emotion and how they 'feel' about a certain issue. There is no concern for the rule of law and the Constitution.

People are f*#king stupid!
dirtbag

climber
Nov 17, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
blue:

people are not "f*#king stupid" albeit some may be so. We are not talking about "feeling" anything. We are talking about delineating what are your criteria for that which falls in the public realm. There is nothing "stupid" - f*#king or otherwise - about this question. It is simply asking you to define your criteria.

Hi Lois.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Nov 17, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
Defending selfishness has never read so obviously.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Nov 17, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
Blu, the Constitution provides for amendments and provisions that anticipate changing realities...

... I wish the uber-conservatives got this simple truth.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 17, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
Healthcare is NOT a right! It's a system of paying for your future hospitalization. It is a system of ensuring your health.

If you do not take care of yourself, is it I who is to pay?

In 1st world countries we understand this shit! That is why we strove to be better. Those that fall behind will be cared for, that is also our awesomeness.

But to drag down the producers, that is unlawful and derelict.
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