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PSP also PP

Trad climber

Berkeley

Oct 18, 2013 - 07:17pm PT

How much do semi-famous sponsored climbers get paid? Maybe he/they could save their sponsorships by coming clean and coming up with $50,000 in donations to something like save the redwoods. Clearly they/he made a mistake so now it is time to try to fix the mistake. They could even make a video about how ingnorant he/they were but they learned a lesson and donated a years pay and how he/they are less ignorant now.

cintune

climber

The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen

Oct 18, 2013 - 07:59pm PT

I don't think they make that much. Travel expenses, free gear, and a stipend. There was a thread about this a while back. Honnold was able to get a new van with his sponsorships, which isn't nothing, but still.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Oct 18, 2013 - 08:03pm PT

Sponsors should require an outdoor ethics course before they let them out of the gyms.

phylp

Trad climber

Millbrae, CA

Oct 18, 2013 - 08:22pm PT

^^^ Interesting idea. It seems like they would have some "FAQS for sponsored Climbers" that would include some kind of expectation of behavior.

MisterE

climber

Oct 18, 2013 - 08:44pm PT

Wondering if the picture I posted was the "one" that they had to cut the tree down to take.

If not, I think we deserve to evaluate the quality of the picture, and decide if it is worthy of a juniper-felling.

PSP also PP

Trad climber

Berkeley

Oct 18, 2013 - 08:58pm PT

There is a legal process for determining how much a tree is worth. It has do with replacement of an equal tree. I heard of a case where someone cut down a few of their neighbors trees. The judge determined that to replace the full gown trees, that would have to be helicoptered in, the value was in the 100's of thousands of $$$$.

cintune

climber

The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen

Oct 18, 2013 - 09:29pm PT

A ranger once told me that NPS doesn't let you just replace it with a similar tree of the same species either; it has to be from exactly the same genetic stock. In other words, it doesn't happen.

Kalimon

Social climber

Ridgway, CO

Oct 18, 2013 - 10:10pm PT

Joe "Blow" Kinder should be stripped of his trust fund.

ncrockclimber

climber

The Desert Oven

Oct 18, 2013 - 10:14pm PT

...Clearly they/he made a mistake...

I am still waiting for someone (other than an anonymous poster making cryptic statements about "learned lessons") to come forward with accurate information about what happened. In lieu of some facts, this thread is little more than a duck fart in the breeze.

That being said, if they did chop the tree for a photo op, they f*#ked up big time and need to be held accountable.

KP Ariza

climber

SCC

Oct 18, 2013 - 10:31pm PT

Another obnoxious on line sh#t show
Get off your asses and go ask the man directly if you're so concerned.
Otherwise STFU.....

clinker

Trad climber

California

Oct 18, 2013 - 10:50pm PT

What about the rocks/blocks that we climbers knock off. Shouldn't they be retrieved and the rock restored to its original condition. Imagine this, a climber places cam, then falls, causing boot flake to detach, unfortunately taking out many teams below. Concerned climbers piece the boot back together(over 3 decades) in its former pristine glory and further fill in all the pin scares in the Valley (over the next 5 decades). What a wonder that would be, except few El Cap routes could be freed, bummer.

Kalimon

Social climber

Ridgway, CO

Oct 18, 2013 - 11:33pm PT

Sorry clinker your post is a clunker.

Ariza, take your meds.

clinker

Trad climber

California

Oct 18, 2013 - 11:46pm PT

Now I'm depressed, tomorrow I will cut down a tree for firewood, and then burn it, when it dries, which won't be this year. Any dry juniper out there?

KP Ariza

climber

SCC

Oct 19, 2013 - 12:52am PT

Kalimon, I always do. Cold Belgian beer.

Oh and, eat a choad fluffer.

basecamper

Mountain climber

South Lake Tahoe

Oct 19, 2013 - 01:47am PT

Whoever is responsible for this please step up, and I will consider returning the items I seized this afternoon.

This isn't the crime of the century but there are some violations that should be addressed.

Honesty and responsibility goes a long way with me.

Thanks

USFS Law Enforcement Officer
Lake Tahoe Basin Management Unit

Delhi Dog

climber

Good Question...

Oct 19, 2013 - 02:04am PT

I read through the whole thread. Typical of ST.
The cop's post is one of the few reasonable ones I've read.

My 2cents is simply that someone who would cut a tree like that has probably done that kind of thing before. Being held accountable by the land managers should be key in changing this behavior. Everyone screws up sometime, so restitution for the mistake is a reasonable expectation and evidence to the climbing community of that is also reasonable IMHO.
We all have something to gain or lose.

As a back note Russ's PS image sure got a bunch of you...troll meister:-)

Cheers