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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Jul 26, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
Jul 26, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
Trying to figure out what is more retarded, refitting a route without permission or ...
200+ posts of wankery on the internet.
Meh
Have you seen the political posts on here?
At least this is regarding climbing.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 26, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
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DMT: It may be in direct contrast to clean climbing, but not free climbing. Free climbing has been bolt protected now for 100 years or more hasn't it?
Your talent as a retro-historian re-shading a colorful reality to an indistinguishable and foggy gray is indisputably always breaking new ground, but you may be outdoing yourself here.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 26, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
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It may be in direct contrast to clean climbing, but not free climbing.
No, I am talking free climbing, where you attempt to use what's naturally provided.
I am not discussing bolts vs. no bolts. I'm talking about minimizing the number of bolts used, especially when viable alternatives exist. Putting a bolt next to a protectable crack goes against the free-climbing meme.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
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DMT, are you saying that you think it's OK to bolt-protect cracks?
Wow.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
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Jim wrote: Generations don't change substantially....each one has it's share of doers, whiners, leaders, followers etc., etc.
Word!!
Jim Erickson..."most great climbs have been done with somewhat dubious means"...From the movie "On The Rock".
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
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No, you just joined the cadre of guys who, now old, suddenly has no qualms with retro-bolting or any other form of bastardization. In fact, one can only surmise one day or another you, like them, woke up and suddenly realized every climber has always been doing all these things all along on every climb in every place worldwide. The exceptions are suddenly the [retro-]norm. It's a comfortable and convenient "it's all good" history no doubt.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
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Your truth has not outlasted your own generation.
True, it is hard for truth to hold up when former 'adventure climbers' like you take every opportunity to shovel a complete raft of super-normative bullshit on it.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
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Kinda bogus as the route in question was never "bold" or done free up till Chris did it.
Time to move on and bash some other poor soul.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
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Joe...do you live in bubble?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
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But anyway, cleaning climbing, free climbing, ethics rules are all in support of two things: competition and commercialization.
Saying free climbing is all about competition and commercialization, you go Dingus. Slay 'em.
No, I'm not bitter, as you attempt to characterize me. But you, sir, are as arrogant as the mid-summer day is long.
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KP Ariza
climber
SCC
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
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"Poor soul".....Please
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
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Well I'm glad we got that sorted out.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
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Hmmm, I thought this was directed at me, and I felt all butt-hurt:
You're just bitter.
DMT
As for the truth, I'm not quite sure I agree with your version of it.
So it goes.
'Hoist' back at 'cha!
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:44pm PT
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Haha so much butthurt going on here.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
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Try baby wipes locker. They work for a itchy butt as well as the butthurt :-)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 26, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
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DMT: Ok. I'm arrogant for pointing out the truth.
No, you're arrogant for attempting to paint exceptions as the norm.
Bob: Joe...do you live in bubble?
No, the rapidly expanding bubble is definitely your McProvince.
Bummer a graph isn't available to show the number of bolts sunk per year over the past three decades. We all know where that graph is headed...
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 26, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
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Dmt, how many routes have you put up? Chim - how many times have you climbed Archangel on gear?
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
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wow. i go to drink a PBR or three and see whats happening on Mother Jones website, i come back and were almost to 300 posts. And it seems like its a lot of slander and name calling. damn.
guess i'll switch to red wine tonight and watch a movie.
you guys need to go climbing or get laid.
kurt
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Jul 26, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
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Ah the tradsters of the Golden Age, sitting on the porch, fartin and telling them damn youngsters toget off the lawn . Not even their lawn.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Jul 26, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
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See what these marijuana laws have done.
The state gets high & the whole place needs to be retro bolted.
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