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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Janet wrote: My agenda is clear, this is not a good fit for visiting climbers or residents.
Is this a fact or opinion?
I don't think the AAC is looking to make a profit...maybe just have a reasonable priced lodging for visiting climbers.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Heaven forbid that a completed climbers' hostel have a commons room that could be utilized by the Eldorado Springs community as an occasional meeting area...
... there are many possible positive outcomes for this proposal.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Janet wrote: My agenda is clear, this is not a good fit for visiting climbers or residents.
Bob asked: Is this a fact or opinion?
Well it's a fact that it is AN opinion.
And an assumption.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
Jul 5, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
TO NED HEAD GOAT MAN AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO READ IT..THE COMMENT I AM SO SORRY AND I APOLOGIZE. SOME OF MY COMMENTS WERE DISRESPECTFUL AND IRRELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION
You are not being disrespectful at all, just voicing a passionate opinion that I and hopefully my comrades can respect. I've dealt with folks resistant to change all my life and the one thing I've learned is you cannot progress as a growing town and fight the money of developers at the same time.
At some point, if you are nostalgic and enjoy the way things are right here right now you will fight progress and eventually lose to city hall and their vision of the landscape. There is something buried deep within us that refuses to change. We all want to hold on to the way things used to be, but it's a losing battle.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Well said Goatboy.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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WBW wrote: Now those Mr. D'Antonio are fighting words. (The part about Eldo.) :-) Just kidding, I don't want to fight you, but how can you say that about Eldo?
To me Eldo isn't worth fighting over. :-)
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Manny
Social climber
tempe
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I am an AAC member and I would like to stay near Eldorado Canyon. I am all for walking into the park, so I am a supporter of the AAC hostel. I'm sorry that we are viewed as inconvenient by some locals. I have no quarrel with them but it sure seems illogical to live at a park entrance then bitch that people want to enjoy the park as much as they do. Janet and Pitbull, most climbers I know would be welcome anywhere, even "dirt bags".
I am lucky to be able to enjoy this country and climb in many beautiful areas, one of which is in your backyard. A huge lack in a lot of this country, one apparent when you travel the world, is affordable traveler's housing. I would rather spend my time in the woods than in a hostel or hotel but sometimes it isn't possible. I am grateful to see this remedied here.
I am sure the negative voices would sound out just as loud if a McDonalds replaced the Post Office. In previous "local" posts I read a lot of NIMBYism and a desire to return to a simpler time (which would be prior to the white man's arrival). That isn't going to happen. 'Merica is here to stay. Progress is nevitable.
Besides not wanting climbers staying in Eldorado Springs, what is the problem? If it's dust and speeding by cars, ok. If 20 more folks overwhelm the sewer system, ok. If 20 or less cars need parking, ok. If there is no hangout in the backyard, ok. I just don't see anything that can't be dealt with and fixed.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Manny wrote: A huge lack in a lot of this country, one apparent when you travel the world, is affordable traveler's housing.
When less than 35 percent of the US population hold a passport, the actual amount that travel aboard is way less...what do you expect?
Really sad that the town see this as a negative.
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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Thanks Ned your right I am anti-development... this neighborhood is tiny and i do not think it will JUST BE 20 CLIMBERS IT WILL BECOME AN ICONIC PRESTIGIOUS AAC CAMP COLORADO BOULEVARD THE AAC MISSION IS TOO BIG FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD OF 218 PEOPLE. THE RESIDENTS HERE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING THE AAC AS A NEIGHBOR AND WE WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES WITHIN LEGAL PARAMETERS TO PREVENT THE AAC FROM BUYING THE PROPERTY OR DEVELOPING A HOSTEL!
THANKS NED, WBW, SOCIAL, PHILO, AND EVEN SNOWASS HOPE TO SEE YOU GUYS IN THE STATE PARK OR AT THE AAC LODGE AT THE CONDAROSA
PS FOR WHOMEVER SAID GO BACK TO THE HAMPTONS ISN'T THAT WHERE PHIL POWERS(EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF AAC) AND FAMILY GO VACATION? YOUR BOY WENT HOBART RICH PREPPY YANKEE SCHOOL AND HIS WIFE IS FROM DANBURY CONNECTICUT RIGHT NEXT TO GREENWICH THEY SHOULD GO BACK TO THE HAMPTONS!!!!!
THANKS AGAIN NED
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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It's never a good sign when the "all caps" comes out.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Is that a fact or an opinion?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Pitbull is more like a toothless Chihuahua.
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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hi Philo the whole historical argument Phil Powers likes it too. Mr Powers does have a degree in history right why this angle? Magnolia Plantation in Charleston, SC is a garden,zoo, and nature preserve...historically it was a rice plantation should history repeat itself here too?
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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If the dirtbag hostel gets built remember climbing parasites your cars will be towed if even an inch on local property. Your gear will get trashed or ruined if left outside. You will be greeted with nothing but hostility from locals and the cops will be called everytime one of your entitled members does anything that could be in violation of any law.
Wow, real nice people up there! Hostility? Hope all the town residents that live along a waterway are up-to-date with all federal and state permits. Wouldn't want anyone along America's waterways to be "be in violation of any law" by even an inch.
http://www.nwo.usace.army.mil/Missions/RegulatoryProgram/Colorado.aspx
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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^^^ ROTFLMAO
WWOMFS... What would old man Fowler say?
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Pitbull's behavior here has inspired me to become an AAC member. What a prick.
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Janet Robinson
climber
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Here's some facts:
The AAC is proposing to convert the Post Office Building in Eldorado Springs to a hostel for 22 people.
Eldorado Springs residents are concerned due to numerous issues and many residents signed a petition which was presented to the AAC.
Penn Burris of the AAC responded by saying the petition was:-
" barely worth the paper it was written on "
he signed off "Shame on you"
This response made the residents even more concerned.
The building sits on the neighbors lot line on 2 sides, the owners of these lots are not ok with the attitude of the AAC and are not going to grant a maintenance easement.
AAC will not be able to work on the East and South sides of the building.
Cannot have bedrooms without fixing up the building.
Cannot have a hostel without bedrooms.
It's never a good idea to barge into a small, cohesive community and alienate your potential neighbors, especially when your neighbors are crucial to the succes of the proposal.
Janet Robinson. Eldorado Springs.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Im sure Eldo Springs is thrilled to have the anonymous pitbull as their representative.
Threats of nails in tires and even unintentional rockfall. Lock your doors when driving in Eldo.... the neighborhood has gone way way down hill since pitbull moved in.
Time to enact an ordinance to ban the pitbull. Ahole pitbull just inspired my ACC donation.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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It's never a good idea to barge into a small, cohesive community and alienate your potential neighbors, especially when your neighbors are crucial to the succes of the proposal.
Depends on how you measure success. I measure success by whether I can spend a night or two at the AAC's hostel. Your presumed "alienation" won't cause me to lose one second of sleep.
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