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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 12, 2013 - 11:35am PT
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Unhinged, and Dr F will never get their tummy tats removed.
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Jun 12, 2013 - 11:35am PT
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hey, here is a freaky thing that happened to me just a couple months ago. i listen to a lot of youtube music vids. one evening i had either just clicked on some vid, or was trying to get the lyrics to a vid/song and my computor totally froze up. this notice appeared and locked the computor onto it. it said it was from the FBI and that they were fining me for downloading unauthorized music or something or other. they wanted $250 wihtin so many hours. i figured it was some sort of virus/scam as soon as i saw that. i crashed my computer and reloaded it. anyway, i found out it was just that (a scam). the "freaky" thing about it, though, was that they had taken my picture (through my own webcam which i never use). and posted it with the notice. it was taken just seconds before my computer locked up. my point is, if they can do that, what could the real fbi do? yikes!!!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 12, 2013 - 11:40am PT
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"...particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
They didn't do that. They just siezed everybody's everything.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 12, 2013 - 11:52am PT
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What commie countries did he run to?
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J man
Trad climber
morgan hill
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Jun 12, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
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The government stealing everyone's data but saying its ok because
they have not looked at it yet, is like bank robbers claiming its ok
because they have not had time to spend all the money yet.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 12, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
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Being in agreement with coz is scary. Being in agreement with coz and karlbaba at the same time?
That's a Game 7 3-pointer, nawmean?
These are, indeed, strange times, DMT. I've found myself not only agreeing with, but bolstering the arguments of Norton and Joe Hedge the last few days.
I think you've put it well, though, about the ridiculously partisan posts we've seen on this issue (e.g. [choose one] [_] Bush bad/ Obama good or [_] Bush good/ Obama bad).
John
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 12, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
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I'm not sure who I agree with. I see both sides. I do think Obama has some ownership of this.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 12, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
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Here's what he told the NY Times:
“People who think I made a mistake in picking Hong Kong as a location misunderstand my intentions,” he told the newspaper, The South China Morning Post. “I am not here to hide from justice; I am here to reveal criminality.”
Translation: "Oh crap, me and my sorry-assed high school education didn't do a great job in planning my next move. Well I don't want to admit I did a boneheaded move by coming to HK, I'll just try to play it cool . . ."
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jun 12, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
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Hong Kong's overlords in Beijing are never going to let Hong Kong extradite Snowden to the U.S.
Look at CNN's top headline now on cnn.com:
"NSA leaker says U.S. hacks China"
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jun 12, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
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The real question is why he didn't take his girlfriend to Hong Kong with him.
Are pics like these even allowed on the Taco now?
Or is Snowden's girlfriend "Too Hot for the Taco(R)"?
We report. You decide!
[youtube=http://youtu.be/RRaPeBC-NSs]
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 12, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
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I wonder if NSA will outsource? I bet the Chinese can do it cheaper!
Actually, DMT, the NSA did outsource. They just may not have imported the outsourced product (i.e., they purported to use domestic companies.) Snowden was an employee of an outsourcee.
John
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 12, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
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A. I think the current state of partisanship of politics is poisonous. President Bush bad, President Obama good - naive. In many ways they are indistinguishable, and this topic is certainly one of them. Big brother is big brother regardless of party affiliation. Fascists can come from either extreme of the political spectrum.
Again, complete claptrap and if you're now subscribing to Jonah Goldberg's obscene nonsense I'm somewhat at a loss for words.
B. I do not believe for a second about the 'no BushCo, no NSA cell phone spying'. Not for a second. Would the Al Gore administration or the Kerry administration have agreed to build it? YES.
I didn't say, 'no BushCo, no NSA cell phone spying'; I did say that in the wake of 9/11, and understanding it could have been much worse, BushCo made a call to put a 'Manhattan Project'-scale digital communications surveillance and radiation monitoring program into place. What we're debating today is exactly that.
Would Gore or Kerry have built it? Gore no, Kerry probably yes. Gore certainly would have had a much more public exploration of the issue and any implementation.
Coz, my nuke terrorist scenario is simply the most realistic and likely way anyone is going to make a nuke attack against us in the future. We, the Russians, Europeans, China, India and Pakistan built hundreds of container-capable artillery nukes not to mention 'suitcase' and mortar nukes.
And my speculation on that front is entirely validated by the occasional news stories about cargo vessel interdictions, the recent Chicago TSA VIPR team stopping a Metro train (not subway) after a radiation alert, the development of radiation monitoring bouys, and monitoring container straddle carriers.
Not to mention DHS publicly-stated goals of 100% container ship / container inspection coverage and cargo airlines public resistance to 100% coverage of air cargo tells you DHS is in a full-court monitoring press that is the radiation monitoring element of a strategic program of which Prism likely represents the comm element of.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 12, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
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Russians, Europeans, China, India and Pakistan built hundreds of container-capable artillery nukes not to mention 'suitcase' and mortar nukes.
So what does that have to do with monitoring EVERY domestic phone call?
(As far as I'm concerned international communications traffic is fair game)
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jun 12, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
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For TGT and Dave.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_analysis
Traffic analysis
Traffic analysis is the process of intercepting and examining messages in order to deduce information from patterns in communication. It can be performed even when the messages are encrypted and cannot be decrypted. In general, the greater the number of messages observed, or even intercepted and stored, the more can be inferred from the traffic. Traffic analysis can be performed in the context of military intelligence or counter-intelligence, and is a concern in computer security.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jun 12, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
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Some serious sh*t is going on if he left a sweetie that that behind.
But life goes on. Perhaps the girlfriend will go to Yosemite and take up rock climbing? And needs some instruction...
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Jun 12, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
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Joe says we need this NSA surveillance since we now live in a different world of terrorism. Bush got away with a lot using emergency war powers as an excuse. Now that we are not at war, that excuse is not constitutional.
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