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Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2013 - 09:38am PT
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Chests are good, especially strong, well muscled chests, with or without boobs. I personally would like to see more without boobs.
Wait a sec. Boobs are bad? Chests are good? What are you saying again?
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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May 15, 2013 - 09:51am PT
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^^^^ more of the tufty and lush DMT man breasts
Great...now some perv is going to start the highly controversial "crotch" thread.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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May 15, 2013 - 10:00am PT
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I think all parts of the body are good. I don't have problems with either sexual or elimination organs. They're all necessary for life. The body parts themselves are not the problem, It's some peoples' attitude toward them and by extension toward women in general that is disturbing.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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May 15, 2013 - 10:19am PT
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You have probably then missed the posts by Jennie, Jan , Gal, Leggs, Michelle, Happie and several other females (sorry RAM full)that describe so well the misogyny, and sexism that is rampant in those photographs. Daphne's post is on this thread and is well worth your read. You might have missed it. Did you read Tan Slacks posts? Many many men have posted here with the same observation of the eroticized abusiveness in the communication style of these posters.
My view is similar to all the above. Misogyny and sexism is a social malignancy. Misogyny is practiced by both women and men, the purpose of which is to devalue women in many ways simply because they are women. Abusiveness in communication or bullying is a style that uses belligerence, belittling, blame, criticism, character attacks, humiliation, et al to dominate a conversation or interchange. The goal is to diminish and degrade the other. It is often characterized by impulsiveness and an underlying hostility. It can be expressed both aggressively and passively. The posts on ST that are of naked women often eroticize that abusiveness, hence the calling of names for those who express a dislike of that style ie" pussy, prude, etc and calling men who express a dislike unmasculine.
Misogyny at the core gives males a privilege of eroticism. It is not a two way street. To play, a woman must become sexually and intellectually subservient, to know her place, so to speak. And that's what these lewd photos are about. Control and degradation. None of it is about breasts or beauty.
The body parts themselves are not the problem, It's some peoples' attitude toward them and by extension toward women in general that is disturbing.
So, posting up boobies makes the poster a mysogynist, a hater of women, wanting 'control and degredation'?
Pretty darn broad brush stroke.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 15, 2013 - 10:19am PT
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I can't believe your so worried about a few boobs and letting the really important threads slip by.Obama played 100 rounds of golf Angelina Jolie's decision Sacrameto Police Seize Child From Parents (OT) Where to live in California - With a Garage?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 15, 2013 - 10:26am PT
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Yes Patrick, when pictures appear to be of 14 yr. old girls Bullshit there were no 14 yr olds
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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May 15, 2013 - 10:27am PT
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...and what does the poster being a teacher have to do with anything?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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May 15, 2013 - 10:37am PT
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I taught for a while before hitting the road, but I didn't teach in CA. Out of curiousity, what is the oath? I am intrigued.
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TheTye
Trad climber
Sacramento CA
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May 15, 2013 - 10:41am PT
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You can not predict when someone is going to decide that they are offended.
The kind of people who will click on something that does not affect their lives and then claim that it offends them can not be rationalized with. They want everyone to believe what they believe. Just move on and let them pick on somebody else.
Also, If you are looking to find a happy medium with women(that take issue) and white knights that are arguing objectivity it will be the same scenario. They will decide when the line between reverence and exploitation has been crossed... and the line can move quite a bit depending on their mood.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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May 15, 2013 - 10:53am PT
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So my take away from many of the comments against the bewb thread are as follows:
If you find any joy while looking at bewbs you basically hate women, might be a racist/support slavery, support misogyny, support the oppression of women, are a pervert, believe women are inferior to men, prefer women to be subservient, prefer to control and degrade women, have disturbing attitudes toward body parts, probably prefer kiddie porn , are a bully, , are obsessed with porn, prefer women to be exploited....
What did I miss?
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Some Random Guy
climber
Under a Little Pink Umbrella
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May 15, 2013 - 10:57am PT
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so the boob thread is gone and now the most popular thread is a thread about the boob thread being gone.. i was already thinking this yesterday...it's never gonna end...
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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May 15, 2013 - 11:01am PT
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It is somewhat entertaining to see folks get so upset over pictures of bewbs. So interesting how the detractors associate affinity for breasts to some of the most horrific elements that human society has experienced.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 15, 2013 - 11:02am PT
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What did I miss?
that jennie,sullly and luckypink are pissed off about something that has nothing to do with boobs. maybe cuz Romney lost.there's already a thread for that
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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May 15, 2013 - 11:06am PT
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Someone needs to start a thread where ST'ers post up actual pics of their boobs, male or female. I know my man boobs are pretty impressive(in my mind) but still a bit pale since we have had quite the cold snowy spring in CO.
Here is the best I can do for now:
(.)(.)
If I dont mind looking at man boobs too does this mean I hate men too or just the opposite?
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WBraun
climber
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May 15, 2013 - 11:13am PT
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you either get it or you don't get it.
These morons here don't get anything.
They just keep babbling and drooling the same moronic mundane sentences over and over.
They're too stupid to even think at all.
No wonder this place is so stupid .......
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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May 15, 2013 - 11:16am PT
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Get what? Breasts are awesome or breasts are the bane of society that only lead to a path of women hate and racism? Im so confused.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 15, 2013 - 11:17am PT
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werner don't like boobs :(
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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May 15, 2013 - 11:19am PT
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To be clear, I don't think pigeonholing the bewb detractors as angry prudes is going to anything but purpetuate the negativity of the situation.
Conversely, pigeonholing bewb posters as woman-haters I don't think is accurte either.
The reality is somewhere in the middle, and is reflected in society, even in climbing world. That is why I linked to the Rock and Ice photo spreads of women climbing.
It has always amused me that bikinis and sports bras are ok, perhaps good even, maybe even empowering, but bare most definately is not.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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May 15, 2013 - 11:22am PT
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You know, reading through all of this, it strikes me just how quick y'all are to judge someone as creepy and perverted. Goes along with the judgemental crap that goes on in all the other threads as well i suppose. And it makes me wonder how i'm classified. But then i really dont care.
Fact is, knowing how you judge others, I have a pretty good idea what you think of me here, having participated in the boob thread. And having a fair idea how you'd judge quite a few of my past life experiences, it makes me think twice about sharing anything, even climbing topics, because somebody smewhere here is going to take issue with it.
Does homoclimbtastic have a forum? Maybe i should sign up there where, theoretically, they'd be less judgemental...
excepting they probably dont have a boob thread either.
Or should i just run off in a huff like i did once before because some of you may not like me? Or maybe because some of you post things i find offensive? Am i that insecure? Is this forum really so overrun by stupidity, judgement, and immorallity that i should run away in disgust?
No, i think not.
Better to stay and enjoy the good stuff, contribute what i can, and ignore the haters. You want empathy, but you're not so good at reciprocating. Maybe the people who've left have done so rightly...
This ain't Stepford. It's better. These are real people, with all their successes and failures, and a common appreciation of the rock.
Leaving in disgust is a great way to turn it over to the ones you hate. It's like moving out of a neighborhood because someone tagged your mailbox. Good for you. I'd rather see you stay and post up some quality content. Hell, go ahead and post your disapproval of some posts and threads... thats part of how a self-regulating community works.
But call someone a perve? Throw up your hands and run away in shame? Huh... guess we,re not that different after all.
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