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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Thank you, jghedge, for demonstrating bigotry comes from the Left, too.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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hey, what do you know. This has turned into a "Bash the Non-Liberals" thread.
I'm really surprised. Wouldn't expect it from this crowd. How original.
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Manny
Social climber
tempe
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When you put it that way Ron, the cartels are here. Why bother heading south of the border? We are already fighting the battle you espoused earlier, just not south of the border.
Immigration is another thing. It deserves its own thread. I wish you luck in Reno. Arizona is no longer the quiet paradise it once was. People from the Mid-west ruined it...
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Manny
Social climber
tempe
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Just kidding. I love my Michigan friends, I have a couple but seldom talk to them or see them.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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No, jghedge.
Your bigotry is the same as all other bigotry. Dividing people by groups, and then saddling the whole group with the reputation ( either real or imagined ) earned by the very worst individual in that group.
You can't see that though, because it's a rare bigot who's aware of his own irrational prejudices.
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Handjam Belay
Gym climber
expat from the truth
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Well kidnapping and murdering aside at least we now know there is a known Cartel bar/hangout within a stone's throw from where we all camp.
Nothing to worry about with that. Right?
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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Jghedge,
You can't tell me you don't see the irony in what you posted. Two way street dude, you are an integral part of the problem.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Calling racists dumb is so bigoted!
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Wow that 's funny. Ron is racist, but somehow Manny wants to still engage him in a friendly way. Whats' going on Manny don't you see the racist that Ron really is? Or do you like conversing with racists?
Hmm? Either that, or perhaps Manny is just smart enough to know what a real racist acts like.
Sorry, don't mean to get you involved Manny. I just find it funny that all these "white" people are calling Ron racist yet you obviously don't see him to be that way and engage him still in a friendly manner. Perhaps you just accept everyone for who they are.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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how many minorities are there in mexico? vietnamese? indians? egyptians?
none.
the ones that went down there are all dead
First interesting thing said here in a while. Is there any evidence for this?
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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You obviously missed this comment from Manny than.
"I was born in Arizona almost 60 years ago. It wasn't difficult to know your place then. I remember a lot of things changing, racially, that were difficult for all."
This was after I asked him about the racism he had to deal with and where he was from.
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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Just to be clear Jhedge you are saying or ipmlying all conservatives are racist and have a low IQ?
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Well kidnapping and murdering aside at least we now know there is a known Cartel bar/hangout within a stone's throw from where we all camp. Nothing to worry about with that. Right?
I wouldn't. If you don't bother them, I doubt they would bother you. That's how Colombia is anyway. You're not very interesting compared to the multimillion dollar drug deal they're thinking about. Or their enemies they're fighting against. Although, if you look too dorky with a buzz cut, mirrored shades bizarre paranoid behavior, they might think you're DEA and that would be different. I sure hope zBrown can get to the bottom of what happened to all those Vietnamese tourists who disappeared down there.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Are Americans safer in Mexico than at home? Please, what a load. At least
here 99.9% of the cops are honest and well-meaning. Mexicans often don't
even call the man because they don't trust him. I've had a number of
friends who have been shaken down by the fuzz por una mordita. One climber
rented a car at the airport to drive to Orizaba and got shaken down twice
before he could get out of Mexico City.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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^^^ Well I'm not gonna work on it, but I might spend some time on the ethnic cmposition of Mexico. I somehow feel that there is not a giant wave of immigrants descending upon Chiapas.
EDIT:
I have never been to portrero chico and am not anticipating a trip nearfuturewise, so I poked around a little and did find some photographic evidence of Vietnamese tourists, alive no less.
pat (below), but the question I think is, do they stay?
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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In a way there is. A lot of immigrants from other countries pass through Chiapas on their way to the US, Ironically the Mexicans don't treat them very well.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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//http://www.lonelyplanet.com/blog/2012/04/30/are-americans-safer-in-mexico-than-at-home///
The above article is truly skewed. Think if yourself as a climber: probably white, probably upper middle to upper class. This fits into the category of an American likely to get killed in America? No, you aren't. It is poor, non-white people competing for limited resources that get killed.
So you travel to PC, you are now not protected like you are in the US. You don't live in the suburbs, with police that would respond in a second to a white person getting accosted in any way.
It doesn't matter how many cops are in PC or anywhere in Mexico before or after murders. They are all ready and willing to be paid off or look the other way at any given time, and they will turn on you in a second to take your money. Later, no one saw or heard a thing. Been there, done it myself.
This isn't a rant against Mexicans or Mexican people. I feel sorry for people having to live in what is, in effect, anarchy.
If you 'feel safe' in Mexico, great, go for it. 'You are more likely to drive in a car crash' probably a better analogy. As thing get worse, no one will go to Mexico. Law and order are non-existent by US or first-world standards.
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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I get the whole don't bother them and they won't bother you thing with the cartels, I just wonder if it is not a matter of time before they poke their head across the street and say hey guys... look at what we have here, a way to get some extra cash.
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