Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
|
|
I only skimmed the story but somewhere in there it says that collectively these three recieved 100's of stitches to their heads. Anyone who has ever seen this kind of carnage knows that their heads are shaved and they must look like Frankensteins. Photos would go a long way to generating some bonafide sympathy.
|
|
Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
|
|
Actually it says combined that they received around 100 stitches total...
|
|
bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
|
|
Still. As always, totally invalid without pics!
|
|
rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
|
|
Whether true or not this attack should be the format for the next facelift....RJ
|
|
abrams
Sport climber
|
|
Its all very sad. Maybe they were mistakenly perceived as thieves. Maybe everyone involved was slightly drunk. Over enthusiastic Neighborhood Watch?
OT inside view of the culture
Peruvian Youtube? about preparing some Guinea Pigs for party guests in
a no nonsense manner. They lead very different lives than we do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=inU2nrCWjYo&feature=endscreen
|
|
Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
|
|
People, fellow Supertopians, I hope I am not coming across in the wrong way.
If these three really did go through everything they said, then... but it seems there are gaps and if they have travelled that far, why were they not more savvy?
It just is, something strikes me peculiar about the whole story.
I have read all the comments, from people who have been to the region, which I have admitted I have not.
But I have been a journalist for some 40 years in five countries, albeit, "developed" countries. I'd like to think I have been a good, objective (subjective for column and op-ed pieces probably) journalist, but I do have a "shitometer" of my own.
Something does not ring right with this story, and again, I admit I could be wrong.
But what ifs... easy aren't they.
And where is Patrick Compton in all of this? Why has he not posted again besides his OP?
No I am afraid there is something more sinister here and I will ask my good friend Sherlock Holmes to investigate. Actually his great grandson, well, actually Conan Doyle's great grandson.
All joking aside, there could very well be a cover up of the alleged incidence... by the Peruvian authorities, by the State department, by...?
And I am not one to be a conspiracy freak, nor a skeptic, nor a cynic. But something is not sitting right with my intuition on this whole story.
People asking for money to continue their travels and pay for their goods, and knowing that a "good" story sells (maybe the three are not fools after all).
On reflection, even if I did have enough money to help these people with their health/medical expenses, I would not do it. I have experienced enough wide-boys in my life.
This story stinks.
And if these three are innocent and victims of an injustice, then...
...but if they are chancers, throw them in the pokey.
If I am coming across as judgmental or pre-judgmental (until the facts are out, if ever), and if I am wrong in what I surmise, I apologize.
But the gnawing feeling is still there.
Do some of you know what $19,000+ could do for some of the Taco Standers suffering from medical conditions. Help a lot.
To hell with these three, innocent or not, they put themselves in the situation. Several Supertopians who are in need did not put themselves in such a stupid situation. IMO these three middle-class turds...
... oh forget it. I think that those (most) posters on this thread either believe one angle or the other.
Black and white, but are there grey areas?
But the cheek of going online the next day after such an "incident", either by themselves or a surrogate, to ask for money, and writing a blog (oh yes, I wrote the blog because I was traumatized and need an outlet... and to beg for help) within hours of said "incident".
Wait a minute, if their computers and iWhatevers were stolen, what did she do, go down to the local internet shop or asks the cops if she could use their computer.
How did this person get her "story" out so fast, even in the age of the Net?
In and out of medical facilities? Excuse me nurse, can I use the computer? I have a blog to write.
Folks, things just do not add up.
Maybe it is me. Maybe I wish I could get people to donate towards my rent arrears that would keep Jennie in a safe environment and the landlord off of my back, and pay the outstanding bills. And yes, my internet access may be cut off any day now, though perhaps some of you may cheer that moment.
There are more Supertopians that far deserve our support than these three "adventurers".
But go ahead, contribute to these three (I can imagine it now, the new title "The Three Amigos, oops I mean "The Three Palca Victims".
Looking at their photos, they seem smug. I am not jealous (I am tired, but I took the job on to look after my partner) I just do not like chancers. Of any sort.
|
|
atchafalaya
Boulder climber
|
|
Has anyone started a paypal account for the maced peruvians?
|
|
Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
|
|
Jim, is that served with some sort of sauce? And a red wine (no wait a minute, alcohol is out).
|
|
abrams
Sport climber
|
|
if you google how to cook guinea pig find gobs of vids just that type of meat
most in spanish
|
|
Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
|
|
Good luck all in ascertaining what did happen.
I now quit this thread as Jennie is up and in need of her meds. And it is late.
As for the three, I couldn't care less about them, hard luck or bullshit story, at this point I do not care any longer.
|
|
Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
|
|
I do not doubt that these guys were involved in some kind of incident. Whether or no their story went down exactly as they claim I'm not sure. You have to remember that they were writing a daily blog so this would have been part of their routine. Jed's message says they bought a computer to update the blog, and get in contact with home.
Jed's message seems more accurate and makes a little more sense. Not to say it is verified either. Just because someone has claimed to have grabbed it from Facebook doesn't make it true. I would just like to read an independant report that has actually been fact checked.....
|
|
Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
|
|
Okay, Jen is having problems so I cannot get to bed/sleep.
I started this on another thread but it is more appropriate here.
I know on the other thread that I would not contribute as I am going to bed, but my partner Jennie is having a rough night and the meds are not helping much. So here I am.
Jeez, two threads for money raising for the three Americans.
Let me get this right, and please correct me if I am wrong.
But, let's for now forget about the people in need outside of the US (meaning Africa, Asia etc). But let's look at the people in need in the US, and there are a lot of them.
No hold on, I will continue my thoughts on the other thread, because it sort of annoys me that some middle-class dumb Americans got themselves in a jam in Peru, and they are looking for money when a lot of people worse off than they are do not go begging online.
|
|
Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
|
|
A bus carrying the Argentine national soccer team was attacked with thrown bricks in Lima last year
That is business as usual in all S American countries: Futbol is war and
no truce will ever be signed, especially with Los Gauchos. Of course,
students of the game know that the Peruvians are still feeling guilty for
throwing the semi-final match of the '78 World Cup which allowed Argentina
into the Final.
|
|
Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
|
|
El Comercio, Cusco’s office on foreign trade and tourism confirmed the incident, based on reports from the Ocongate police station, but said no formal complaint has been placed.
Jennie, so if it is the case the incident has been confirmed, does that mean it gives a bye to the three involved. We do not know the full details, but by your inference of "quoting" Comercio, you seem to think it gives some credence to one side of the story. Am I correct in understanding your take on this? Please correct me if I have misunderstood you.
So it appears that an incident did take place. But we still have to hear the other side of the story. And as far as I can tell, Comerico is more for encouraging tourism than standing up for the indigenous population, so where's the spin?
I had a bad time in the Dominican Republic years ago. I did nothing wrong, but the local tourism board rep sided, wrongly, with the locals while the national tourism rep sided with me, the tourist, which is why I was released, rightfully. Government tourism agencies will tend to side with the foreigner who has money to spend or a big government to back them.
Now my goal is to calm Jennie down and get her back to sleep, and hope for a peaceful night.
But just to recap, this story of the three just does not play for me, not in its entirely at least.
And I still say they will benefit from the publicity and book/film deals. Well played you three. But I will not be buying your books or watching your "ordeal" on the little or big screen.
|
|
Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
|
|
Of course,
students of the game know that the Peruvians are still feeling guilty for
throwing the semi-final match of the '78 World Cup which allowed Argentina
into the Final.
Reilly, ain't that truth. A final I watched and which the Dutch were the better team, but you know, home field advantage.
|
|
Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
|
|
Is guinea pig kosher?
|
|
Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
|
|
I'm not declaring credence to either side, Patrick. Some posts suggest nothing happened and the event was a wholesale hoax...the El Comercio statement seems to affirm a dispute and fracas did occur.
I admit being partial to the Teton climbing community... but having not been present at the clash and not being an authority on Peruvian affairs, I'm not in a position to make iron pronouncements about the affair.
The confirmed random beatings and sniper shooting at foreign adventurers in Peru... and mobs throwing bricks through bus windows of foreign soccer teams posit sentiments a mite stronger than envy and rivalry. Hopefully, these represent attitudes of the few rather than the many...
Best wishes for you and Jennie's happiness and good circumstance.
|
|
Chippychopperone
Social climber
SLC, UT
|
|
This is a good reason to release some marines.
|
|
JLP
Social climber
The internet
|
|
This money fiasco is pretty funny. It's a bunch of wealthy friends and family helping their own - and you get to watch.
|
|
mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
|
|
Why not just leave the Peruvians alone for fuk sakes? Ain't your country, ain't your home, ain't your land, certainly ain't your back yard campground... so fuk off and leave them be!
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!