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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Dec 24, 2012 - 12:41pm PT
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I sold my gun collection to get through medical school. Not only was that in desperation, but also it was quite apropos.
I got quite a penny for the assault rifles, selling them on the corner of Story & King.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 24, 2012 - 12:43pm PT
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Hey howz that gravel quarry comin along Rong?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Dec 24, 2012 - 12:48pm PT
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Jebus, actually I do have a predator in the house, but it is not a drone. The little fecker, who we love, brings in live and dead birds and mouses.
Otherwise, as aforementioned, I have no solution to gun violence, anywhere. I wonder if anybody does.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 24, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
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As I stated earlier it isn't a "stupid pill" problem it is a G-Spot issue.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 24, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
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Karl, counter-terrorism is quite dirty work. Everything I've ever read on it shows it to be so, and there is no way that you can put lipstick on the pig.
One of the critical things operationally, is to protect methods and sources.
So the gov't launches a drone attack against a group, and wipes them out. I am outraged, and post to high heaven about out inappropriate and unconstitutional that was. I don't know that the group was observed killing the family members of Navy Seals, and that fact is trying to be suppressed so as to not let others know that strategy worked. But I find out, and leak it, because I believe in freedom of information. And I press, and I press for WHO observed this....I think maybe nobody did, and it was just a convenient excuse to off this group. But finally, my persistance pays off, and I get the scoop. I weigh the issue of the remainder of the world-wide terrorist network coming after the observer, vs the "right to know", and decide on the side of liberty. The headlines ring out throughout the land: KARL BABA "ALLEGED" WITNESS TO SLAUGHTER.
And the great thing is, the Gov't has made no deal to waste resources having to protect or hide you, in the newest iteration of Salman Rushdie.
Aren't I one effing patriot in that scenario, Karl.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 24, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
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"You think you're going to shoot it out with the cops, and you're going to kill them all and win, and then the gov't will...what? Just leave you alone?"
That's how they're doing it in Afghanistan.
If a bunch of illiterate cavemen wielding small arms can run TWO superpowers out of town, why are you so quick to write off a much more advanced civilization, such as our own?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 24, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
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Yeah Philoww,, i know your hate for me is much like your hate for your brother .. Youll go to any length to get you digs in here, even if it involves the decimation of a popular climbing area that YOU obviously dont give a rip one about.
Wrong again Rongo. I hate neither you nor my brother. I loathe the misinformed right wing bagger programming you both constantly barf up. You both jump to extreme conclusions that are usually completely wrong. For example your willfully uninformed impression that the removal of some surface boulders smaller than three feet in diameter is tantamount to the decimation of a popular climbing area. Do you climb a great many 3' rocks?
a much more advanced civilization, such as our own? Note to the wingnut brain trust - it is an oxymoron to include yourself in the concept of a much more advanced civilization. A "much more advanced CIVILIZATION" would not need stock piled arsenals and plans for armed insurrection.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 24, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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Or crotch rot from sweating in their mantyhose.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 24, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
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Ken M: I don't buy it. Those who would shred the constitution for a tiny extra protection against terrorism deserve nothing.
Terrorists have killed about 1/10 of the people in the US in the past 8 years than Falling coconuts kill worldwide in one year. And for that tiny bit of extra protection we're willing to let the president kill anyone, anywhere, far from any congress declared war (as if that constitutional requirement to declare war was observed anymore) That's madness and that's how tyranny starts
Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither~ Benjamin Franklin
We're rockclimbers. Let's not sign up with the crowd to be a nation of cowards
Peace
Karl
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 24, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
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So we have had all states put up petitions to withdraw from the Union,, which is a first. There are still states pursuing this as well. Also for the first time we have states in direct violation of fed arms laws that have refused to change their own laws. (Montana) This is unprecedented actions by states. I certainly never remember such things in my fiddy some years.
The talk in washington over all of this has led to agencies such as the IRS and SS to procure millions of rounds of hollow point ammo from 9mm to 223 and above. This is also unprecedented as never before have such agencies been involved in such massive ammo stock piles..
These are all well known facts.
So why do they now stockpile millions of rounds of hollow point ammo here in this country? Does anyone even wonder about those little details?
You all talk about GUN NUTS yet seemingly ignore the fact that you own govt is making GUN NUTS look sane by comparison.
That is why organizations like "Oath Keepers" have sprang up and grown rapidly. And they are for the most, either current or former military personnel. DEDICATED to the preservation of our constitution and their oaths.. That is another reason the govt now buys massive amounts of ammo, as they are the same military personnel that have been used in illegal wars and police actions that resulted in no change what so ever. From Nam to Afghanistan.. And they for the most are PISSED OFF!
No, they are traitors to the Union.
Patriots do not attempt to undermine the Union. They do not talk about assasinating the leaders of the Union.
They don't LIE and MAKE UP CRAP, like the stuff you put up, above.
They don't do straw purchases of firearms while active law enforcement officers to subvert laws.
They don't attempt to break off states from the Union, centered around military organization and firearms.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 24, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
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Chaz, I'm on your side but I'm afraid that the Afghans are so warlike that they are the world's expert at expelling foreign invaders for millennia now.
Must be all the intramural games.LOL
Used to be that Americans were rugged and independent but 3-4 generations of the nanny tit allowed us to forget.
Fat dumb and happy, Franklin's warning is lost on them.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 24, 2012 - 02:50pm PT
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Corporations are people too. How do you like that?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 24, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
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Ron, these are the "anti-gov't" killer-nut "patriots" that you like to hang out with, saving America from our gov't:
A gunman set a trap and shot and killed two firefighters responding to an early morning blaze in Webster, N.Y., police officials said. Two other firefighters were also shot and both are listed in guarded condition at a local hospital.
"It does appear that it was a trap that was set for first responders, but the cause or reasons we don't have at this time," said Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering as he described the scene where shots were fired at West Webster firefighters when they arrived at 5:35 a.m. to battle the blaze along Lake Road. Webster is about 10 miles east of Rochester.
The apparent gunman was found dead at the scene, but it’s unclear if he was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot or if it was from a weapon from police officers who were chasing him.
The victims were Mike Chiapperini, also a lieutenant and public information officer with the local police department, and Tomasz Kaczowka, Pickering said.
Chiapperini was described by Pickering as a lifelong firefighter who started with the department's explorer program and had about 20 years of experience. Kaczowka was a younger firefighter and was also a 911 dispatcher, he said.
West Webster firefighters Joseph Hofsetter and Theodore Scardino were seriously injured and are at Strong Memorial Hospital with gunshot wounds, a hospital spokeswoman said. Scardino has injuries to his chest and lungs. Hofsetter was injured in the pelvis, the spokeswoman said at a media briefing.
An off-duty police officer from nearby Greece, N.Y. John Ritter was also injured by shrapnel during the shooting, Pickering said.
Pickering said that one of the firefighters who survived made his way across a bridge to get to safety. The other three did not make it across, Pickering said. Police arrived and rescued the other three firefighters, but two were fatally shot, Pickering said.
"These are volunteers who get up in the middle of the night to fight fires. They don't expect to be shot and killed," a tearful Pickering said at the press conference.
The morning scene was described as chaotic as police and firefighters dealt with an immense blaze as well as gunshots, local news station WHAM-TV reports.
“I’m not aware of anything like this happening in Webster, obviously not a firefighter being fired upon,” Webster Fire Marshal Rob Boutillier told the Democrat and Chronicle. Pickering described Webster as resort lakeside community that is quiet and usually peaceful.
There at least four houses that have been damaged by the fire along Lake Road, WHAM-TV reported. Firefighters had to leave the scene and stop battling the blazes while police secured the scene. They continue to battle the blaze.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:00pm PT
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Ron, you shouldn't speak to your elders like that. You wouldn't make it in my tribe.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:12pm PT
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Joe Hedge wrote
There is no way to protect against terrorists that involves giving them the same rights US citizens have
If you're a US citizen in an Al-Qaeda cell, you have effectively renounced your citizenship, so please don't tell me Obama is killing US citizens, just because the US-born terrorists haven't filed the proper paperwork with the State Dept to renounce their citizenship
Don't be a BS hypocrite Hedge. You are smarter than that. When Bush was doing the same things, you were crying foul (with good cause)
That 16 year old kid was not a part of any Al Queda cell, particularly in some bum f*#k nation that hasn't managed to attack us anywhere. THere are plenty of people on this very thread who want to have assault weapons in case they have to fight the government someday. Aren't they just as fair game? Aren't they potential terrorists too? Have they effectively renounced their citizenship too?
Don't let your partisanship make you lame. People aren't able to effectively police the other party. We need to check our own side to make sure we stay with truth and freedom
Peace
karl
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
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Ron, those are the same type of tactics (roadside bombs, ambushes) Chaz said could be employed in this country to take the government down if they lose some gun rights.
Which side will you choose if it comes down to that?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
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im a first responder ,just outside of rochester.our thoughts to the families.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:21pm PT
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You've got to be kidding? So would police officers enforcing gun laws be ok to kill.
You gotta kill a few of them first, to get the Apaches warming up.
And how would roadside bombs not endanger firefighters?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:33pm PT
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Comments like Ken made to me regarding my "brother" firemen would if said in person, likely end up with a kick to the teeth.
Like I said, Ron, threats of violence, mixed with guns, alcohol...make you a very dangerous person.
Your FIRST instinct is to commit violent acts if you don't like what someone is saying.
THAT is what the guy who killed volunteer firefighters was doing. He had a grievance. I'm sure it was irrational. But his response was to commit violence...like you.
Your brother.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
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GFYS Ken.. You have NO CLUE as to i hang out with. And it ISNT anyone that would murder fire fighters..
UNLESS they were part of a GOV'T RESPONSE....because they are PART OF THE GOV'T that you hate so much.
You should consider that your "buddies", so eager to take out the gov't "goons" would be talking about YOU, as a USFS LEO. YOU would be their target.
Your brothers.
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